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Sensor towers will reveal any burrowed banelings. If it's such a problem, just throw down a sensor tower close to their base while you are pushing out. It's cheaper than a scan.

Zerg is kinda the same way, you have to constantly scout your opponent out. If you don't and drone too hard, you lose. If you drone too little, you lose again.
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Sensor towers will reveal any burrowed banelings. If it's such a problem, just throw down a sensor tower close to their base while you are pushing out. It's cheaper than a scan.

Zerg is kinda the same way, you have to constantly scout your opponent out. If you don't and drone too hard, you lose. If you drone too little, you lose again.
But Zerg has map control at that point in the game easily with muta/sling/bane. That's really not an issue at all at least against T. It's different in different match ups though.

Sensor Towers are good, but at that point might as well wait for a Raven.
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I agree completely with DoomDash, with TvZ the burden is put heavily on the Terran to heavily harass the zerg and not make any mistakes. Moving out with siege tanks and marines is akin to walking up a flight of stairs with a cup of hot coffee filled right below the lid. One small mistake and you have hot coffee or exploding banelings on your hand that will wreck you. PvZ seems a lot more fair as P has that giant deathball to build up to while Terran isn't capable of producing an army as strong as protoss's.
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I haven't seen the game but maybe Moon is just a better player than BitByBit? If you can't beat zerg on jungle basin, you don't deserve to advance. As for doom, going 2 rax FE because good zergs are prepared for all the gimmicky plays, it doesn't work like that. It's very tough for zerg to prepare for all those things, and if they do, it's at a cost, whether that's through going early baneling nest to counter 3-4 rax, early roach to counter helions, or gambling by going muta. The game is an information based game, and as soon as you have any intel, you try to capitalize based on that intel.

It's too easy crying zvt is imbalanced when you haven't reached your skill cap.
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I'm sure Moon is a better player, but I still look at what happened and based on that game and both econs I don't think Moon deserved to have such an easy win in that battle. That's my problem with it. I didn't say the Terran deserved to win, I was more less pointing out that the Terran's army shouldn't just disappear in a single second.

I can only speak from my experience on balance issues, but even if I don't have TvZ down anywhere near to where I will have it down, it still feels more broken than anything thing I've felt in 12 years of playing SC. Won't stop me from practicing the **** out of it. I really want to smash Zergs into the ground.

Protoss players I don't care about. TvT I can fully admit I'm just garbage at. I just know most people feel the same way about Z right now, and if we don't at least discuss balance then it may just go ignored. Z players *****ed up and down to get where they are at right now.
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12 years of SC and this? Come on , you can do better than that. Remember when pool was 150? Pre 1.07 terran was pretty terrible. How about in SC1 (not brood war), when there were no counters to mutas? The game has seen much worse. I don't think ZvT is unbalanced at all, esp considering all the terrible maps.
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anyone have a good strat against p v z, against good micro 6 pool cheesers?
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Well we can agree to disagree. I think its pretty badly balanced right now. I also don't share your thoughts on P > Z. I think it's the opposite, but that I can't really speak on from experience, only observing.

As for the old patches, I never had a problem with any of these issues that people considered huge problems, besides when storm did 125 damage or something. I'm sure at first I was pretty awful and just ignorant to how the game even remotely worked, especially in SC1 days. I played random in SC1 and I never for a second thought a match up was imba. I've been playing since the game came out, on kali, in x17, ect ect. . Though I did quit for the most part a little after 1.08.

Also, the match up may not be imbalanced, but more unbalanced. Jinro has talked about this on TL in both TvP and TvZ.
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anyone have a good strat against p v z, against good micro 6 pool cheesers?
Id say scout early (right after you drop the first pylon). Also, always build your pylon close to your ramp so you can wall in.

If you see an early pool, you have two options:

1. Wall in with forge and a gate + cannon if there is a gap, then make a cannon right after the gate finishes. This is probably the safest and easiest to execute.

2. chrono boost a lot of probes out hard and Try to kill the lings with your propes. (this can work great if you micro the probes (moove the damaged ones back to gather and back etc..)
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