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It makes perfect sense from Blizzard's perspective. The way the bonus pool system and divisions are set up, it encourages people to play as much as possible. There was a long winded post on TL explaining it in more detail, but from what I was reading, it's a very good way to get people to play.

If the game just showed MMR, people might be too discouraged to keep playing when they see their MMR stagnating. The points system lets their "rating" keep increasing as long as they play more. A lesson they learned from WoW.

Also, if you can consistently beat players that are in the masters league, why beat around the bush and force players to grind.
I know why they have the ladder system the way it is, I don't mind that. But when they are doing things like Master League by MMR when MMR is better determined by more games played it makes little sense.
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Yah ok... Try playing as zerg and having it done to you dozens upon dozens of times. See how you like it.



If you can consistently beat 2700+ players then you deserve to be in the Master's League. You shouldn't have to play 300 games for it to stabilize.
Is there patch notes or something? I think master league should be around 3200+ unless it is already specified somewhere else.
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Is there patch notes or something? I think master league should be around 3200+ unless it is already specified somewhere else.
Master league is top 5% not 2%. It won't take 3200 to get in.

Patch notes:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=183337
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Master league is top 5% not 2%. It won't take 3200 to get in.

Patch notes:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=183337
Yea I was confusing master's league with grand master's league.

So everyone is already placed in a division? Or will there be placement matches again? Master league here I come .
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I think all you need to do is play a game and you'll be automatically placed if you belong there.
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Yea I was confusing master's league with grand master's league.

So everyone is already placed in a division? Or will there be placement matches again? Master league here I come .
Seems like people on SEA are playing like 3 games and getting in. I hope to find out soon as well .
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Seems like people on SEA are playing like 3 games and getting in. I hope to find out soon as well .
It's going to suck having to 3 pylon against Z now .
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I know why they have the ladder system the way it is, I don't mind that. But when they are doing things like Master League by MMR when MMR is better determined by more games played it makes little sense.
What else are they going to go by? Points? Points don't mean diddly squat because of the bonus pool. Divisions between Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum/Diamond are already done via MMR, so why not Masters League too? It works pretty well I think.
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What else are they going to go by? Points? Points don't mean diddly squat because of the bonus pool. Divisions between Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum/Diamond are already done via MMR, so why not Masters League too? It works pretty well I think.
Everyone has the same bonus pool so that's actually not true. What makes points mean nothing is division tiers.

However, if you read how MMR works you realize how inflated it gets if you just started playing or have a new account, so its not completely accurate until you play many games.

They need a system that judges more than just MMR, which is why I'm thinking that Blizzard needs to comment if it is truly is just MMR that will get you in.
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Everyone has the same bonus pool so that's actually not true. What makes points mean nothing is division tiers.

However, if you read how MMR works you realize how inflated it gets if you just started playing or have a new account, so its not completely accurate until you play many games.

They need a system that judges more than just MMR, which is why I'm thinking that Blizzard needs to comment if it is truly is just MMR that will get you in.
MMR does not get inflated, what happens is the uncertainty factor in your MMR gets higher and higher the more games you win. This causes you to be paired against really good players and continued wins will increase your uncertainty factor even higher. Losses bring your deviation from your MMR down.

The MMR rating works a lot like WoWs Arena system, it also most likely only goes up 16-32 points per match at most.

Your MMR on your huggle account is most likely not very different from your MMR on Doomdash. That means the system is working correctly. It would be stupid if it kept you in the bronze league to play 100 games until you could get into Silver and so on. It would get you mad for grinding, and get a lot of noobs mad for losing.
Edited by vdek - 1/11/11 at 9:58am
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