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Not really since old 2.5k+ diamond is master now, so anything 2k+ seems to be high diamond.
Not really, since all the old high-rated diamonds moved to masters.

The old 2400s are now hitting 3000 since there aren't any harder people around. So diamond points are super inflated right now.
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Judging by games you post and some I see on TL, NA ladder must be some kind of a joke as well as the master league, now full of random people who think they are good because of the new icon.



Which confirms what I said above. Based on games I saw I'd place you at high gold.



Not really since old 2.5k+ diamond is master now, so anything 2k+ seems to be high diamond.

IDK I haven't noticed a difference in skill between the two servers based upon tournaments I've played with people from both. Lots of people from Euro play on NA from SCC and are about the same level on NA accounts. I think there may be some difference though, mainly in styles.


3000 is super high Diamond now yks, go look at sc2ranks.
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Which confirms what I said above. Based on games I saw I'd place you at high gold.
:O You'd place me at the 60th percentile of total starcraft players?? I don't think I'm THAT bad... By MMR I'm in the 95th percentile at least on the NA ladder...
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IDK I haven't noticed a difference in skill between the two servers based upon tournaments I've played with people from both. Lots of people from Euro play on NA from SCC and are about the same level on NA accounts. I think there may be some difference though, mainly in styles.


3000 is super high Diamond now yks, go look at sc2ranks.
Well, I haven't really played on NA ladder, but based on the games I've seen there sure seems to be less variety in play styles. Like you got to mid diamond doing a single one base timing attack in TvP pretty much every game, which is kind of an equivalent to protoss 4 gating in every game. Now in the last few games I saw you stay on pure MM till 20 minutes into the game, without getting factory and/or starport, and your master protoss opponents are not able to punish you for that, which is something even high platinum players should know how to do.

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:O You'd place me at the 60th percentile of total starcraft players?? I don't think I'm THAT bad... By MMR I'm in the 95th percentile at least on the NA ladder...
I might have had a bad day today losing to all the zergs I encountered, which angers me even more given how much time I spend recently trying to figure out the matchup. On the other hand I'm quite rusty having not played the game for almost two weeks.

Anyway last game of you I saw you went hatch before pool on steppes, then didn't scout, then didn't make a single queen till 7 minutes into the game. These are kind of mistakes no diamond players should make, let alone master.
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Anyway last game of you I saw you went hatch before pool on steppes, then didn't scout, then didn't make a single queen till 7 minutes into the game. These are kind of mistakes no diamond players should make, let alone master.
Oh, that game against yks. I was messing around with a 3 hatch ling build, that wasn't a serious game at all. Yks did pwn me that game which is why I've abandoned that build.


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Well, I haven't really played on NA ladder, but based on the games I've seen there sure seems to be less variety in play styles. Like you got to mid diamond doing a single one base timing attack in TvP pretty much every game, which is kind of an equivalent to protoss 4 gating in every game. Now in the last few games I saw you stay on pure MM till 20 minutes into the game, without getting factory and/or starport, and your master protoss opponents are not able to punish you for that, which is something even high platinum players should know how to do.
From what I've read on TL, on the EU server about 90% of the Protoss players 4 gate every single game.
Edited by vdek - 1/19/11 at 4:30pm
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Well, I haven't really played on NA ladder, but based on the games I've seen there sure seems to be less variety in play styles. Like you got to mid diamond doing a single one base timing attack in TvP pretty much every game, which is kind of an equivalent to protoss 4 gating in every game. Now in the last few games I saw you stay on pure MM till 20 minutes into the game, without getting factory and/or starport, and your master protoss opponents are not able to punish you for that, which is something even high platinum players should know how to do.



I might have had a bad day today losing to all the zergs I encountered, which angers me even more given how much time I spend recently trying to figure out the matchup. On the other hand I'm quite rusty having not played the game for almost two weeks.

Anyway last game of you I saw you went hatch before pool on steppes, then didn't scout, then didn't make a single queen till 7 minutes into the game. These are kind of mistakes no diamond players should make, let alone master.
I agree with you on most points but I don't agree that you shouldn't be able to get away with going straight rax throughout the game TvP as long as you two are trading army s. Qxc did it in his one game against Huk and he almost won. He was mined out though which cost him the game. MMM's can pretty much take on anything if you make sure that you're trading army's, getting upgrades, and have good micro.
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Well, I haven't really played on NA ladder, but based on the games I've seen there sure seems to be less variety in play styles. Like you got to mid diamond doing a single one base timing attack in TvP pretty much every game, which is kind of an equivalent to protoss 4 gating in every game. Now in the last few games I saw you stay on pure MM till 20 minutes into the game, without getting factory and/or starport, and your master protoss opponents are not able to punish you for that, which is something even high platinum players should know how to do.



I might have had a bad day today losing to all the zergs I encountered, which angers me even more given how much time I spend recently trying to figure out the matchup. On the other hand I'm quite rusty having not played the game for almost two weeks.

Anyway last game of you I saw you went hatch before pool on steppes, then didn't scout, then didn't make a single queen till 7 minutes into the game. These are kind of mistakes no diamond players should make, let alone master.
This shows a lack of understanding in TvP as T. You don't need factory or starport tech unless Colossus are out. I do my builds based upon my opponent, which is what a good player does. If I see evidence of Colossus I go starport asap before ghost... if I see templar tech I go ghosts before starport. If he is making mostly gateway units of course I'm not going to tech as barracks > gateway units. I have seen tons of pros do the exact same thing ( Drewbie, qxc, ect ect ).

And yeah I used timing attacks for a long time in Diamond and I never really got that far that fast with it. The only reason you've beaten them at all so far is because I literally told you what I was going to do. If you have no mystery of course you can easily beat a build, and that's why in the game I didn't tell you what I'd do I won. Anyway I don't do 3 rax builds anymore, and I focus upon economy builds.

It's like any match up, if I tell you I'm NOT going banshees, you have no reasons to be forced into having detectors. From what I've seen of Euro its no different...

You could be right about variety in builds, but then when I watch half these Terrans on the Euro servers their builds are terrible ( IMO ), and guess what Protoss on Euro servers some how struggle with them.

and as far as vdek goes he's played like 140 ladder games.. he isn't very experienced in some situations.

And as the queens the 3 hatch no queen build was an idea I told him about that I said he should try to see how it was.
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Also I watched my latest replays and I had starports ( and ghost acad ) at 12 minutes. Which replays are they at 20 minutes?
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Have you thrown in thors into your mix TvZ Doom? I've been going 2 rax expand, into double factory pumping siege tanks and thors while getting upgrades. It's been working really well for me.
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Have you thrown in thors into your mix TvZ Doom? I've been going 2 rax expand, into double factory pumping siege tanks and thors while getting upgrades. It's been working really well for me.
Yeah. Same results.
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