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Hey Guys,

If you were going to buy a watercooling kit, which would you go for out of these 2 options:

Asetek WaterChill CPU-VGA-Chipset Xtreme kit KT12A-12VX 10mm (Triple) OR the Swiftech H2O-220 Apex Ultra +?

Both kits have CPU, VGA and chipset cooling. Here are the specs:

1) Swiftech H2O-220 Apex Ultra +

Complete system cooling kit, including Apogee CPU Water-block, MCW60 VGA kit, MCW30 Chipset water-block, MCR220 Radiator with fans and MCB-120 R2 "Radbox", MCP655 pump, MCRES Micro Reservoir, tubings, Smatcoils, Hydrx coolant, and various noise reduction accessories. Can be viewed here http://www.swiftnets.com/products/H20-220-APEX.asp

2) Asetek WaterChill CPU-VGA-Chipset Xtreme kit KT12A-12VX 10mm (Triple)

WaterChill Antarctica CPU cooler CPU01/A supporting Intel P4 S478, AMD S754/S940/S939 (AMD 64). Including a replacement CPU cooler lid for Intel P4 LGA775.

- WaterChill VGA cooler VGA01/P1 supporting Nvidia/Gforce and ATI/Radeon AGP cards (elbow fittings),
- WaterChill Chipset cooler NB01/P1 supporting Intel, AMD, SIS and VIA etc.
- Triple Black Ice Xtreme 120mm Radiator with 10mm push on fittings.
- 6 x 120mm Low Noise Adda Fans.
- NEW WaterChill Xtreme [12V] integrated Pump/Reservoir with 10mm push on fittings (PSU powered).
- USB cable.
- Integated Print Circuit Board w. fan connectors.
- 2 x Temperature Sensors.
- 2 x Fan Connectors (Up to 6 fans, 2 x 24W).
- Software based Control Panel incl.:
- Pump speed regulation
- System and status info.
- Heat monitoring.
- Fan control.
- WaterChill Tube Set (3,0m).
- ALL fittings and mounting accessories are included.
- WaterChill Anti Alga Fluid - WaterWetter (10mm bottle).
- Heat Conduction Compound (2 ml tube).
- Installation Manual

This asetek kit can be viewed here: http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/...roductid=18969

Now, i need the kits to be able to cool the chipset on an Asus P5ND2- Sli Deluxe board, a Pentium 4 LGA775 and a single Geforce 7800GTX VGA.

Both the CPU coolers are compatible with the socket 775 (is this the same as LGA775???).

I am not sure if the Asetek VGA cooler is compatible with my Geforce 7800GTX? I know the swiftech one is. Any ideas?

On the swiftech site it says that the chipset cooler will Interfere with the Lower VGA on my Asus P5ND2 SLi deluxe Motehrboard? It doesnt actually say incomptaible, so im guessing it should fit? This can be seen here http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCW30.asp

Im also wondering if the Asetek chipset cooler will interfere with the VGA card?

What would YOU do? (no comments about not bothering and building a custom setup please!!!)

rgds J

PS does anyone know where i can buy the Swiftech H2O-220 Apex Ultra + in the UK? so far i can only find the Swiftech H2O-220 Apex Ultra.
    
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Swiftech H20-220

You should be able to order from them outside the US. Swiftech is supposed to be a really good company, many people recomended it to me when I started planning my project.
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(no comments about not bothering and building a custom setup please!!!)


It's good to see a man who has done his homework--clearly you've read previous threads on the topic.

I'd go with the Swiftech kit, if only because it is more proven here in the US. I've seen at least one review of the Asetek, and it was very positive. I've seen many, many positive reviews of the Swiftech kits, from reviewers and users. I also like their radbox, which gives many mounting options.

The Asetek does have the triple rad versus the Swiftech's double, and I must admit I'm a size queen when it comes to rads. Like horsepower, more rad area may be overkill, but it's always fun and it's never bad. I wish Swiftech had triple rads, but I haven't seen any. It it were me, I'd probably put together the equivalent of the Swiftech system--especially using their radbox--but substitute a Black Ice Pro III rad from DangerDen.

Come to think if it, I'd go to DangerDen and configure this kit to match the Swiftech, except substituting the Black Ice Pro III rad, and then buy the radbox separately. I realize this is dangerously close to custom, but does have the kit advantages of convenience, single-vendor support and quaranteed compatibility.

Barring that, a 2x rad is great, and I've heard many good things about Swiftech.

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Swiftech H20-220

You should be able to order from them outside the US. Swiftech is supposed to be a really good company, many people recomended it to me when I started planning my project.
thanks, but i want the Ultra Plus (+) system, as it comes with the chipset and VGA cooling parts. I dont think shipping from abroad is a good idea if something gets damaged i will be difficult to get a refund / replacement i bet.
    
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It's good to see a man who has done his homework--clearly you've read previous threads on the topic.

I'd go with the Swiftech kit, if only because it is more proven here in the US. I've seen at least one review of the Asetek, and it was very positive. I've seen many, many positive reviews of the Swiftech kits, from reviewers and users. I also like their radbox, which gives many mounting options.

The Asetek does have the triple rad versus the Swiftech's double, and I must admit I'm a size queen when it comes to rads. Like horsepower, more rad area may be overkill, but it's always fun and it's never bad. I wish Swiftech had triple rads, but I haven't seen any. It it were me, I'd probably put together the equivalent of the Swiftech system--especially using their radbox--but substitute a Black Ice Pro III rad from DangerDen.

Come to think if it, I'd go to DangerDen and configure this kit to match the Swiftech, except substituting the Black Ice Pro III rad, and then buy the radbox separately. I realize this is dangerously close to custom, but does have the kit advantages of convenience, single-vendor support and quaranteed compatibility.

Barring that, a 2x rad is great, and I've heard many good things about Swiftech.

Hope this helps!

thanks for that, great advice.

Sorry for being a noob but whats the difference between double and triple rads?

So you would buy this kit. What would you except substitute the Black Ice Pro III rad with? Sorry i got a little confused with that part

EDIT - im worried that the watercooling may not benefit me, as im looking for extra OCing from CPU, but what if my CPU has reached its max OC and it not temps that are restricting it from going further? It would be a waste of money really. wouldnt it?
    
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Either of those chipset blocks should only be problematic if you intend to run in SLI. At that price you could just get 2 of These and air cool the chipset.
  
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Either of those chipset blocks should only be problematic if you intend to run in SLI. At that price you could just get 2 of These and air cool the chipset.
Ah i see, so a single VGA shouldnt be problematic?

why would i want 2 of those sets though? i dont quite see where you are going with that one?
    
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One for the CPU & one for the GPU....and they're extremely compact.
Oh, and I can't find that Ultra+ available anywhere except Swiftechs' site.
  
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thanks for that, great advice.

Sorry for being a noob but whats the difference between double and triple rads?

So you would buy this kit. What would you except substitute the Black Ice Pro III rad with? Sorry i got a little confused with that part

EDIT - im worried that the watercooling may not benefit me, as im looking for extra OCing from CPU, but what if my CPU has reached its max OC and it not temps that are restricting it from going further? It would be a waste of money really. wouldnt it?
Hey JP,

No prob at all--you're a noob, but friendly, and willing to pull your own weight. The tiresome ones are those who say "what should I get?" and obviously haven't bothered to read the stickies or do any homework.

As for your questions, radiators come in various sizes, and usually they are catagorized by how many 12cm fans can fit on one side--the standard is one, the Swiftech kit you mentioned was a 2 and the "III" in Black Ice Pro III means three 12cm fans fit on it.

All other things equal, the bigger the rad, the cooler the temps and/or quieter the system.

Sort answer: I was saying *buy* the Black Ice Pro III rad, instead of a 2x rad.

If your goal is only overclocking, and your OC isn't presently limited by temps, WC offers no benefits. WCs benefits are fun, lower ultimate temps, and much less noise at a given temp. (If careful, one can make a WC setup virtually silent.)

I'm glad to help, and hope I did!
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i found a site where i can buy the Ultra+ kit and get it shipped over here for $60 extra. Ouch, but it still works out cheaper than if i bought a Waterchill kit here ( i can get the swiftech ultra+ kit for $414 with shipping included, which is around £235, which is approx £50 cheaper than the waterchill kit :-) )

hmmmmmmmmm im starting to see the benefits of a custom kit. The thing is i am not clued up enough to go custom, i'd end up buying the wrong part or something else would go wrong! I could buy everything from the Dangerden site, but they dont ship to the Uk so there goes that idea!!! Does anyone know of any sites in the UK where you can choose a custom set up similar to that of the Dangerden site?

If i was to go custom i would need:

Pump -whats recommended?
Radiator - preferably the black ice pro III and fans
CPU block -whats recommended?
GPU block -whats recommended?
Tubing
Anti corrosion fluid -whats recommended?
Anti algae fluid -whats recommended?
clamps, clips etc

anything else?

I know this may seem a silly question, but are the kits actually filled with water or is a special kind of liquid??

I read a guide here and i would like a T valve and a tube that raises to the highest part in the PC, so that i can bleed the set up when required. Also i could use that as a filling point cant i? What could i plug that tube with? I dont like the idea of an AA battery!!
    
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