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If you are getting temps in the 70's, DO NOT change your TIM. I guarantee if you change to AS 5 your temps will get worse. The stock TIM application on this card is really good and the best you can hope for is the match the temps you had in the first place. Many of us here learned the hard way.
Add me to the list. Changed to AS5 and temps rocket up big time. I know they say it takes a few cycles to settle in, but I wasn't liking the rate it was going.

Edit: I added some washers too. Nice and snug now, but hotter than before.
Edited by sparker - 9/10/10 at 11:02pm
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Im wondering if the heat spreader and heatsink base are not mating flat. May e the stock compound was acting like a filler. Im going to take the heatsink off my unlocked one. Clean the compound off and put some feeler gauges between them. I also have arctic ceramique. Ill see what that does since its thicker than as5.
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Add me to the list. Changed to AS5 and temps rocket up big time. I know they say it takes a few cycles to settle in, but I wasn't liking the rate it was going.

Edit: I added some washers too. Nice and snug now, but hotter than before.
ya arctic silver has a long burn in time I only use noctua great stuff no burn in time keeps my 6 core @ 19c idle. so I forget how many hours the burn in time is for AS5 after that it might be ok haven't tried and will only use noctua from now on.

if the idle temps are ok just let i run overnight.
Edited by krazzymoose - 9/10/10 at 11:48pm
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Im wondering if the heat spreader and heatsink base are not mating flat. May e the stock compound was acting like a filler. Im going to take the heatsink off my unlocked one. Clean the compound off and put some feeler gauges between them. I also have arctic ceramique. Ill see what that does since its thicker than as5.
What's the best application method? I've tried three times.

1. Big dot
2. Spread out layer- 55C idle
3. Spread out layer, dot in middle. 38C idle, 73C in Furmark, both are +5C over stock.
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from my experience less is more you don't want a thick caked layer. try 4 good rice size squirts spaced out in the middle of chip (i use 2 with a cpu but gpu chips are bigger). put heat sink on and move it around in a circle then clamp it down. that's what I'd do everyone has there own methods. just remember with AS5 you wont see those advertised temps till it burns in. it will actually drop in temp overtime. the fermi chips run hot in general If I remember correctly the 470's are rated at like 105c
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from my experience less is more you don't want a thick caked layer. try 4 good rice size squirts spaced out in the middle of chip (i use 2 with a cpu but gpu chips are bigger). put heat sink on and move it around in a circle then clamp it down. that's what I'd do everyone has there own methods. just remember with AS5 you wont see those advertised temps till it burns in. it will actually drop in temp overtime. the fermi chips run hot in general If I remember correctly the 470's are rated at like 105c
That's the problem with mine. For some reason it shuts down when it hits 74-80 depending on the clock.

I guess I need to ask MSI what's the problem. At stock clocks it shouldn't be shutting down at 80C.
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huh not too sure on that note It could just be unstable. you could try applying the paste again let it burn in see what happens and if no matter what volts and clocks still persists then RMA it.

[EDIT] these are re-branded 470's so some run fine others not. hopefully the latter
Edited by krazzymoose - 9/11/10 at 12:32am
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huh not too sure on that note It could just be unstable. you could try applying the paste again let it burn in see what happens and if no matter what volts and clocks still persists then RMA it.

[EDIT] these are re-branded 470's so some run fine others not
The ones that can "unlock" are GTX 470s that were binned as GTX 465s. This is why most of them require tweaking after being flashed with a GTX 470's BIOS.

However, if it can be flashed and also recognized as a GTX 470 but yet it still has problems, then the chances are good that some more tweaking needs to be performed in order to cause the card to become comfortable as a GTX 470.
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Im wondering if the heat spreader and heatsink base are not mating flat. May e the stock compound was acting like a filler. Im going to take the heatsink off my unlocked one. Clean the compound off and put some feeler gauges between them. I also have arctic ceramique. Ill see what that does since its thicker than as5.
Oh, they are definitely not mating flatly. For sure the base is not flat. I spent many hours lapping one of mine, and even afterward I discovered that you definitely need a thick coating of TIM to compensate for the uneven surface of the chip itself, otherwise you get a large 'untouched' region of TIM on the core if you pull them apart after assembling them and tightening the screws.

This is why I was so keenly interested in the washer mod and the question of whether or not it could conceivably increase contact pressure, and wanted to know the details of what you'd discovered

After just now taking my other (previously untouched) card apart and studying the screws carefully and the whole mounting mechanism closely, I've decided that this washer mod may in fact have the ability to at least slightly increase pressure between the base and chip.

The way the screw is designed, I believe it is sort of 'bottoming out', not because it's actually hitting the bottom of the sleeve, but rather because the threaded portion is only at the tip of the screw, and it is screwing all the way down.

However, the base of the screw is unthreaded, and height of this unthreaded portion is noticeably taller than the thickness of the board. Using the washers makes up for this height differential and causes the screws to fit snugly against the board.

The only question that remains is whether or not the standoff/peg/screw sleeve thingies are as close to board as they can get w/o filing or not. If they are not, then the washers could help improve contact.

One thing I will say about such a mod though is that if you overtighten the screws with the washers, the pegs might dig in too deeply and crack your board. So it should be approached with caution.

But I'm gonna try it anyways
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