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Cavi,

You probably need to modify the BIOS that you're flashing to have a higher voltage throughout 2D and 3D clock domains. Obviously you should be able to flash, so black screening must be attributed to an unstable card because of low voltage/too high clocks.
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Cavi,

You probably need to modify the BIOS that you're flashing to have a higher voltage throughout 2D and 3D clock domains. Obviously you should be able to flash, so black screening must be attributed to an unstable card because of low voltage/too high clocks.

This is actually the nearest possible solution for that. I get blackscreen whenever I set my card to 900/1800/1800 @ 1.087v(safest maximum) after a reboot - afterburner set to Start with Windows.

So it is very possible that the clocks are higher that's making it unstable.

The weird thing is;

A stock 470 should start on 607/1215/1674 @ (variable voltage depends on the card). That means Cavi's card should be set lower ?????



Cavi,

Did you overclocked your card @ 465 bios before flashing it to 470? Did you set afterburner to Start with Windows?
Edited by _s3v3n_ - 10/7/10 at 7:08pm
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Your the one that gets black screens after flashing? How was the paist on the gpu? did it cover the chip or have any voids in the paist? Starting to think that one of the cores or memory chips is totaly trashed and giving you the black screens after flashing. Have you tryed the evga 470 "SC" bios?
Yes, that was me! The paste was fine, all over the GPU. Looked like stock stuff to me though, but looked thorough. I haven't tried the evga SC bios, though I'll try that to start with.

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Cavi: I totally forgot that you already tried to flash it.
Haha, I was thinking you might have! I've been trying and trying and getting the same result.

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Cavi,

You probably need to modify the BIOS that you're flashing to have a higher voltage throughout 2D and 3D clock domains. Obviously you should be able to flash, so black screening must be attributed to an unstable card because of low voltage/too high clocks.
Not sure how I would go about doing this? The guy above suggested the evga 'sc' bios, so I'm going to try that next. Might as well, right?



This process has been long and tedious... I'm posting this message on my gf's laptop, but I'm 5 seconds away from turning my machine back on after I've taken the card apart and put it back together. Never done that to a GPU before, but I'm counting on it being similar enough to a CPU so we'll see how that goes lol
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This is actually the nearest possible solution for that. I get blackscreen whenever I set my card to 900/1800/1800 @ 1.087v(safest maximum).
So it is very possible that the clocks are higher that's making it unstable.

The weird thing is;

A stock 470 should start on 607/1215/1674 @ (variable voltage depends on the card). That means Cavi's card should be set lower ?????



Cavi,

Did you overclocked your card @ 465 bios before flashing it to 470? Did you set afterburner to Start with Windows?
I installed afterburner yes, should I uninstall it before I do this? How should I go about fixing this?!

I didn't save any setting in afterburner, and it wasn't starting with windows anyway. So I'm not sure what to do?!

(sorry for the double post)
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I installed afterburner yes, should I uninstall it before I do this? How should I go about fixing this?!

(sorry for the double post)
For now, I would remove/uninstall afterburner, evga precision if you have it installed and just leave gpu-z.
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Ok uninstalled those things. Also, figured out (thanks to 2Cables) that I was rolling with an OLD OLD version of driver sweeper. I had 2.1, and the newest is 2.5. I'm going to re-download the driver package and then have a go... wish me luck!
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But thanks for the heads up I will give that a shot and see if it makes a difference. But I still don't understand the low CPU score.
Oh, the lower CPU score is simple to explain.

Vantage uses PhysX tests to come up with your CPU score. PhysX is basically just a bunch of math. These tests are meant to run on your CPU, but if you haven't *disabled* GPU PhysX, these CPU tests end up running on your GPU instead of your CPU.

So in effect, before you were running the CPU tests on your 470, and now you're running them on your new (but less powerful) PhysX card.

You follow what I'm saying?
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Cavi:

I've looked over your posts, and rolled a bios for you to try.

Something that many people have not noticed (or forget about) is that when you flash to a 470 bios, it will actually reduce your stock VID by 12.5mV (one 'step') from the one your card came with.

When you combine this w/the fact that you are likely to actually need more volts due to the extra shaders being enabled, it's possible to run into a situation where, post-flash, the VID will be too low to start up properly.

So, like I say, I've made you a bios. It's one that should pretty much work on any card. It's the regular MSI 470 bios, it has stock clocks, but it will force your stock VID to 1038mV, which should be enough for any card.

You don't have to keep it on there if you don't want, but you should give it a try to remove the possibility that this problem is related to having too low a stock VID after flashing.
    
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Cavi:

I've looked over your posts, and rolled a bios for you to try.

Something that many people have not noticed (or forget about) is that when you flash to a 470 bios, it will actually reduce your stock VID by 12.5mV (one 'step') from the one your card came with.

When you combine this w/the fact that you are likely to actually need more volts due to the extra shaders being enabled, it's possible to run into a situation where, post-flash, the VID will be too low to start up properly.

So, like I say, I've made you a bios. It's one that should pretty much work on any card. It's the regular MSI 470 bios, it has stock clocks, but it will force your stock VID to 1038mV, which should be enough for any card.

You don't have to keep it on there if you don't want, but you should give it a try to remove the possibility that this problem is related to having too low a stock VID after flashing.
Wow, thank you so much!

I've just tried going through the process again with NO LUCK. Can you believe that? I will try yours, because your logic is as good as anything right now

Wish me luck...
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Well, Afterburner/Precision don't need to be uninstalled. All you have to do is change their state so that they don't start with Windows. So that means just reset them and tell it that you no longer want it to apply the settings at startup (which it should actually stop doing automatically once Resetting).

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