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Ok guys i really don't know whats wrong with my gpu. Any advice would be recommended.

The first time that i ran OCCT crashed at the first minute.

But i think i have been doing wrong all along, since i didn't allow afterburner to check the gpu temps and adjust the fans to the temps. First error checked.

Installed the new nvidia drivers, checked.

The second time i ran OCCT with the correct settings in afterburner, i went through a good 12 minutes , OCCT did reported like 270 errors and the drivers crashed.

I attach my current afterburner screen.

As you can see i am only running the stock twin frozer bios. with the voltage turned up to 987. I haven't started overclocking yet since my card isn't stable yet.

What can i do ??? Try out a different BIOS??? or crank up the voltage a little more ??? I really don't know what is causing my crashes.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Shremi
If I were you, I would run a higher voltage. My GPU is stable in OCCT for over an hour with my GPU at 700/1400/1674/1.012v, but it will crash in BC2 unless I kick the voltage up to 1.038v

You are more than safe with a Fermi if your voltage is <= 1.087v, so I would see what more volts will do for it. Remember, these are 470's that weren't all that great that got relabeled as 465's and as such, they aren't going to do the same clocks at the same voltages.

Don't be afraid to push the voltage up as long as the temps stay in check. I've also noticed that sometimes (regardless of the voltage) if my card reaches the mid-80's, it will crash. I keep my fans at 75% while I game and fold.
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Ok guys i really don't know whats wrong with my gpu. Any advice would be recommended.

The first time that i ran OCCT crashed at the first minute.

But i think i have been doing wrong all along, since i didn't allow afterburner to check the gpu temps and adjust the fans to the temps. First error checked.

Installed the new nvidia drivers, checked.

The second time i ran OCCT with the correct settings in afterburner, i went through a good 12 minutes , OCCT did reported like 270 errors and the drivers crashed.

I attach my current afterburner screen.

As you can see i am only running the stock twin frozer bios. with the voltage turned up to 987. I haven't started overclocking yet since my card isn't stable yet.

What can i do ??? Try out a different BIOS??? or crank up the voltage a little more ??? I really don't know what is causing my crashes.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Shremi

I would raise the voltage. Like kidwolf said, don't be afraid to go up to 1.087v. Personally I don't notice much difference between 1.012v and 1.087v as far as heat goes.

Do you want to OC your card? If you do then start with 1.087v at stock core and see if you can get that stable, if you can then increase the core little by little and test it to find it's highest OC at 1.087v.
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I feel bad ya'll are getting low OC's with those voltages. I need to order a couple of the thermalright GTX heatsink brackets for the 400's and see how much farther I can go. I would water cool, but I like to take my pc apart from time to time for cleaning and when I'm parting around with parts.

Here's my bios.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ccs1b5d5iqvs19y
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Yeah, use a higher voltage. If you keep increasing it and end up reaching 1.087V without a change, then something else needs to be tried. 987mV is very low.
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Guys thanks for the advice tomorrow i will try to turn up the voltage on my card and see what voltage gives me stability, i might also try 2 different bios files the one from kidwolf and rangerscott thanks a ton to everyone for helping me out.

So just one last question for how long should i run OCCT?? 20 min ?? a whole hour ??

Thanks to everyone again + REP to everyone.

Shremi

Edit : One last question should i register my card in order to get the 3 year warranty from msi ?? or it doesn't matter if you don't register it.
Edited by shremi - 10/20/10 at 12:04am
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Guys thanks for the advice tomorrow i will try to turn up the voltage on my card and see what voltage gives me stability, i might also try 2 different bios files the one from kidwolf and rangerscott thanks a ton to everyone for helping me out.

So just one last question for how long should i run OCCT?? 20 min ?? a whole hour ??

Thanks to everyone again + REP to everyone.

Shremi

Edit : One last question should i register my card in order to get the 3 year warranty from msi ?? or it doesn't matter if you don't register it.
First of all, I only run OCCT for 20 minutes. If it's stable through that, it should be stable in games and if it's not, then you need more voltage.

However, for the MSI warranty, no registration is necessary. MSI tracks cards via S/N and not by purchaser, so if you register, the card will no longer have a warranty if you sell it to someone else.
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Guys a quick update i have good and bad news:

The good news is that i was able to pass the OCCT test, for 20 min with the stock settings.The card reached max 76 c on the test. ( I ran the test for 20 min but the program monitored the card for 1 minute and on the last 4 minutes of the test so should i use 25 minutes instead ???)

The bad news is that i had to turn up the voltage to 1.025 .

So correct me if im wrong on this IMO i think that the BIOS that brett released out to help cavi that has everything in stock and the Voltage is turned up to 1.037 should agree perfectly with my card right ????

I also think i need a stable bios on the card and not only using afterburner since the card would be operating in 2 different OS.

Finally i also think that afterburner is a great program and i plan on starting overclocking now that i have found my stability point on my card. Unfortunately i think my card is going to suck at overclocking since i need a significantly higher voltage to run stock 470 settings.

So my plan is :

1.- Flash the bios that includes the 1.037 Voltage. (for stability on both OS)
2.- Turn up the voltage to 1087
3.- Start by increasing the core clock and see up to where its stable.
4.- Then turn up the memory clock with the overclocked core clock.

So i should check on the temps while i am stressing the card ??? Or as long as they pass the test with 0 errors should be fine.

I really think i should ask this , could the problem for a higher voltage might be related to the mother board since Gigabyte just sent me an RMA. should i try a different pci slot ?? what do you think??? i can also try out a different mobo i have laying around in my house.

Thanks a million to everyone helping me out to many to mention one by one.

Shremi
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Guys a quick update i have good and bad news:

The good news is that i was able to pass the OCCT test, for 20 min with the stock settings.The card reached max 76 c on the test. ( I ran the test for 20 min but the program monitored the card for 1 minute and on the last 4 minutes of the test so should i use 25 minutes instead ???)

The bad news is that i had to turn up the voltage to 1.025 .

So correct me if im wrong on this IMO i think that the BIOS that brett released out to help cavi that has everything in stock and the Voltage is turned up to 1.037 should agree perfectly with my card right ????

I also think i need a stable bios on the card and not only using afterburner since the card would be operating in 2 different OS.

Finally i also think that afterburner is a great program and i plan on starting overclocking now that i have found my stability point on my card. Unfortunately i think my card is going to suck at overclocking since i need a significantly higher voltage to run stock 470 settings.

So my plan is :

1.- Flash the bios that includes the 1.037 Voltage. (for stability on both OS)
2.- Turn up the voltage to 1087
3.- Start by increasing the core clock and see up to where its stable.
4.- Then turn up the memory clock with the overclocked core clock.

So i should check on the temps while i am stressing the card ??? Or as long as they pass the test with 0 errors should be fine.

I really think i should ask this , could the problem for a higher voltage might be related to the mother board since Gigabyte just sent me an RMA. should i try a different pci slot ?? what do you think??? i can also try out a different mobo i have laying around in my house.

Thanks a million to everyone helping me out to many to mention one by one.

Shremi
It depends on what you're doing in each of the OS's. If your gaming in Windows only and not stressing the GPU in your second OS (linux, unix, etc.) then there is no need to flash the BIOS. The card is only using that higher voltage when it's in 3D mode playing a game or running a bench or folding. At all other times, it's sipping power and should never crash regardless of the 3D voltage.

If you are going to be gaming in both OS's, then flash the new BIOS (like you said) so that 1.037 is the stock 3D voltage on the card so it won't crash in 3D applications even if Afterburner isn't running.

Other than that, I really wouldn't bother with overclocking beyond the current speed of the card unless you are noticing that it isn't powerful enough for you. I've just left mine at 700/1400/1674 because at those speeds, it tears through everything I play/run. I'll overclock once I feel the need for more power in newer games, but until then, why not let the card run cooler and on less voltage so it will last longer and not be stressed?

If you do decide to overclock, you have the right idea. Increase voltage to 1.087, raise the core clock 5-10MHz at a time until it becomes unstable, then back it off 1 step. Then overclock the RAM by 10-25MHz at a time and when it starts artifacting, back it down 1 step and call it good.
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Is anyone using the bios from the MSI GTX 470 Twin Frozr II? I'm wondering if it would be better than the stock MSI 470 bios I'm using, but I heard that there's some issue with the bios and Afterburner 2.0. Is this true?
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So should I be worried to have it run at 80C? I mean it's only when stress testing with Furmark and Kombustor, but still I remember seeing like 76C a couple of weeks ago.
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