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Edited by Mehanik2108 - 10/26/10 at 7:55am
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Hi, I just flashed my 465 Twin Frozr II (Regular/not Copper edittion) card by 470 bios, but nothing is changed. There was ok about flashing (nvflash, dos), then windows comes, drivers were replaced, but in device manager and in GPU-Z it's still GTX465. Please help! Tell me what am doing wrong?

I don't think it's possible for the non-copper version since they all came out with only 8 chips.
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Hi guys i could use your advice.

I can clearly state that my card is not as great as most of your cards. I personally think i have the worst card in this thread.

So far i can say that my card needs a lot of voltage , in order for my card to pull up the stock msi gtx 470 bios it requires 1.025 MV.

I finally started to overclock and see what i could came up with so far i got this results.

1.- 1.075Mv to pull 760 and 1740 when running OCCT my card reaches the high 80s C.

2.- 1.087 Mv to pull 780 and 1740 ( i think i could go higher) when running OCCT my card reaches 92 C.

I know Nvidia says this cards can support up to 105 C but i don't know if i really want to go there.

I have a good case with sufficient airflow.

What do you think of my temps are they safe ??? I am seriously considering going H2O just to keep my card cool but i really don't know if it is going to give me better results. I could also install a side vent on the door which can blow air directly to the card but i really don't know if it is going to affect my airflow.

Thanks for your time.

Shremi
That's nothing. I'm using a modified BIOS that has a stock of 700/1400/1848, and I need 1.100V just to get 765 core (the memory is unstable past 1848).

But my maximum temperature under full load in Furmark, OCCT or EVGA OC Scanner is about 70°C. So, I am curious: what is your ambient temperature? I mean, what's the temperature of the air that the intake fans on your case are pulling in? And also, where do you keep your rig? Is it out in the open, or is in an enclosed area like a desk hole?

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I don't think it's possible for the non-copper version since they all came out with only 8 chips.
Not only does a card need 10 memory chips, but it also must be a true GTX 470 GPU on the PCB. An actual GPU will have "GF100-275-A3" printed on it. But a GTX 465 will have "GF100-030-A3" on it.
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I don't think it's possible for the non-copper version since they all came out with only 8 chips.
Thanks! So sad
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I can clearly state that my card is not as great as most of your cards. I personally think i have the worst card in this thread.
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Not only does a card need 10 memory chips, but it also must be a true GTX 470 GPU on the PCB. An actual GPU will have "GF100-275-A3" printed on it. But a GTX 465 will have "GF100-030-A3" on it.
Yeah Shremi, I think I had the worst card of the thread. Of the conditions that are required for an unlock, my card met all of them... and STILL failed. Mine was a case of bad memory chips that existed in the bonus 2 slots that opened when unlocked. So the card still worked fine as a 465.

Yours unlocks Shremi, so be thankful for that! (I've since gone out and bought another that unlocked, so all is well on my end lol)
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hello guys,, this is my 1st post in this forum,, nice to meet u all
i have problem with my gtx465 ge,i try to flash it but it only change core shader and memory,, i try all d bios and method that post in this thread but nothing work... can somebody give me advice or maybe i use d wrong method or bios to flash my card??

thanks for helping me

regards

ablech
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hello guys,, this is my 1st post in this forum,, nice to meet u all
i have problem with my gtx465 ge,i try to flash it but it only change core shader and memory,, i try all d bios and method that post in this thread but nothing work... can somebody give me advice or maybe i use d wrong method or bios to flash my card??

thanks for helping me

regards

ablech

Welcome ablech!


Do you mind posting some screenshots GPUz, AB, EVGA precision, etc? Whatever monitoring tools you are using.

Did you successfully flashed it to a 470?
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That's nothing. I'm using a modified BIOS that has a stock of 700/1400/1848, and I need 1.100V just to get 765 core (the memory is unstable past 1848).

But my maximum temperature under full load in Furmark, OCCT or EVGA OC Scanner is about 70°C. So, I am curious: what is your ambient temperature? I mean, what's the temperature of the air that the intake fans on your case are pulling in? And also, where do you keep your rig? Is it out in the open, or is in an enclosed area like a desk hole?.
Woooow those are some nice temps.

I really don't know my exact ambient temperature but i can tell you that on my office it gets pretty hot i would definitely say somewhere between the 20º and 30º Celsius. I cant tell you my exact ambient temps since i dont have any heat measuring device to measure the ambient temperature except a mercury thermometer(please don't laugh). So i really want to know what should i use to measure the temps. And one more thing my case is right down my desk it is not a really on a desk hole since i got another pc in that hole but its right down there. If you want tomorrow i can take some pics of it and upload them.

I do want to say that i opened my GPU in order to confirm it got the "GF100-275-A3" chip and then i cleaned and replaced my TIM with the TIM that came with my Schyte's Mugen and my temps are on the rise from then on.

I applied a small portion of tim (size of a pea) and spread it with my finger using a rubber glove. The same way i had applied to both of my CPU's.

I used to hit 75ºC on OCCT but now i am hitting the 80ºC. I think that maybe Schyte's TIM isn't the best TIM. So i have ordered SOME AC5 and some MX-3 i also ordered 4 120 fans which i plan to use if my temps don't drop after replacing the TIM.

Let me tell you my experience today i ran Furmark for 20 min @ stock clocks with the voltage to 1.025 and my card reached max of 81ºC after 20 min i used my overclocked profile on afterburner 1.075Mv to pull 760 and 1740 and the temps immediately started to rise and the card gets 10º hotter another 20 min of Furmark and the card reaches 91ºC.

Since everything that i ordered should be here next week i don't plan to stress my card again ( im afraid i might damage it) it also gives me the time to see your opinions on my case.

Edit : I forgot to mention one last thing i have a PCI-wifi card which is right down the card is not so big but i figured until i solve the issue i can go with ethernet since it may interfere with the way that the fans on the card work.

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Yeah Shremi, I think I had the worst card of the thread. Of the conditions that are required for an unlock, my card met all of them... and STILL failed. Mine was a case of bad memory chips that existed in the bonus 2 slots that opened when unlocked. So the card still worked fine as a 465.

Yours unlocks Shremi, so be thankful for that! (I've since gone out and bought another that unlocked, so all is well on my end lol)
Cavi i totally forgot your case man i am sorry that you had to purchase 2 cards. At least yours is ATM better than mine.
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hello guys,, this is my 1st post in this forum,, nice to meet u all
i have problem with my gtx465 ge,i try to flash it but it only change core shader and memory,, i try all d bios and method that post in this thread but nothing work... can somebody give me advice or maybe i use d wrong method or bios to flash my card??

thanks for helping me

regards

ablech
What do you mean? Can you elaborate into fine detail?

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Woooow those are some nice temps.

I really don't know my exact ambient temperature but i can tell you that on my office it gets pretty hot i would definitely say somewhere between the 20º and 30º Celsius. I cant tell you my exact ambient temps since i dont have any heat measuring device to measure the ambient temperature except a mercury thermometer(please don't laugh). So i really want to know what should i use to measure the temps. And one more thing my case is right down my desk it is not a really on a desk hole since i got another pc in that hole but its right down there. If you want tomorrow i can take some pics of it and upload them.
All that's really needed is a simple room thermometer. It doesn't have to be a certain kind or anything. But how hot would you say it gets in Fahrenheit? Is it like uncomfortably hot? (30°C is 86°F) It's my inexperienced guess that an ambient of ~30°C is probably a part of the reason why the temperature is much higher than we should probably be expecting.

But nah, pictures won't be necessary. However, I guess it wouldn't hurt to see a pic of the cable management. But it sounds like that's not the culprit.

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I do want to say that i opened my GPU in order to confirm it got the "GF100-275-A3" chip and then i cleaned and replaced my TIM with the TIM that came with my Schyte's Mugen and my temps are on the rise from then on.
I've seen a trend in this thread where when people do this, they end up with much higher temperatures for some reason.

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I applied a small portion of tim (size of a pea) and spread it with my finger using a rubber glove. The same way i had applied to both of my CPU's.
But I think another cause might be spreading it. This can create air pockets within the paste which can noticeably reduce its performance. I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever been concerned with spreading thermal paste prior to applying any heatsink, and I've always had normal/expected performance from it. I just apply a blob about the size of a healthy pea, put the heatsink on all the way, remove the heatsink to check the application, adjust if necessary, and then put the heatsink back on all the way again. If I needed to make a pretty big adjustment to my thermal paste application, then I might check it one more time.

But with my graphics cards: I've never had a desire to remove the heatsink or anything. And before I flashed my GE, I didn't know back then that the GPU itself must have "GF100-275-A3" printed on it! So, I feel like I got extremely lucky.

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I used to hit 75ºC on OCCT but now i am hitting the 80ºC. I think that maybe Schyte's TIM isn't the best TIM. So i have ordered SOME AC5 and some MX-3 i also ordered 4 120 fans which i plan to use if my temps don't drop after replacing the TIM.

Let me tell you my experience today i ran Furmark for 20 min @ stock clocks with the voltage to 1.025 and my card reached max of 81ºC after 20 min i used my overclocked profile on afterburner 1.075Mv to pull 760 and 1740 and the temps immediately started to rise and the card gets 10º hotter another 20 min of Furmark and the card reaches 91ºC.

Since everything that i ordered should be here next week i don't plan to stress my card again ( im afraid i might damage it) it also gives me the time to see your opinions on my case.

Edit : I forgot to mention one last thing i have a PCI-wifi card which is right down the card is not so big but i figured until i solve the issue i can go with ethernet since it may interfere with the way that the fans on the card work.
If you're using the lower PCI-E slot for the GE, then I can imagine the WiFi card interfering. But if you're using the top-most PCI-E slot for the GE, then it's not interfering at all.
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