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Just snagged one of these babies for $211 shipped OB. Good deal I presume?
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Just snagged one of these babies for $211 shipped OB. Good deal I presume?
Hopefully someone didn't send it back because it didn't unlock
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All that's really needed is a simple room thermometer. It doesn't have to be a certain kind or anything. But how hot would you say it gets in Fahrenheit? Is it like uncomfortably hot? (30°C is 86°F) It's my inexperienced guess that an ambient of ~30°C is probably a part of the reason why the temperature is much higher than we should probably be expecting.
Yeah i said something approximately i try to get a hold if i can to a room thermometer and see what the real temps are but i guess they should be somewhere arround the 20º to 30º sometimes it feels hot but not really uncomfortable. when its really hot i just turn on my AC to 72ºF

Speaking of AC i kinda have a weird idea that somehow i can modify it to blow air right into the case via the Watercooling holes. i might be saying something stupid but what do you think of that ??? i dont know if the pc will take the freezing air.

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But nah, pictures won't be necessary. However, I guess it wouldn't hurt to see a pic of the cable management. But it sounds like that's not the culprit.
Here are some pics they have a mirror efect since i took them with my webcam


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I've seen a trend in this thread where when people do this, they end up with much higher temperatures for some reason.
Wow not the answer i wanted to hear at all, so did they managed to get it fixed ???


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But I think another cause might be spreading it. This can create air pockets within the paste which can noticeably reduce its performance. I've never, ever, ever, ever, ever been concerned with spreading thermal paste prior to applying any heatsink, and I've always had normal/expected performance from it. I just apply a blob about the size of a healthy pea, put the heatsink on all the way, remove the heatsink to check the application, adjust if necessary, and then put the heatsink back on all the way again. If I needed to make a pretty big adjustment to my thermal paste application, then I might check it one more time.
Cool im gonna give this method a try but which thermal paste you recommend i should use the AC5 or the MX-3 i heard the MX-3 doesn't have a cure time while the AC5 has.

Just to clarify when you say put the heatsink all the way doesn't mean that i had to tight the screws right??? just apply pressure with the heatsink and check if it did a good job.

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But with my graphics cards: I've never had a desire to remove the heatsink or anything. And before I flashed my GE, I didn't know back then that the GPU itself must have "GF100-275-A3" printed on it! So, I feel like I got extremely lucky.
Kind of a noob mistake on this one i didn't know it was going to affect the performance. but we all learn from our mistakes

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Yeah i said something approximately i try to get a hold if i can to a room thermometer and see what the real temps are but i guess they should be somewhere arround the 20º to 30º sometimes it feels hot but not really uncomfortable. when its really hot i just turn on my AC to 72ºF
But 20°C is 68°F, and 30°C is 86°F. I mean, that's a massive difference. But if the AC does a good job at keeping the temperature at 72°F (22.22°C), then that's certainly cool enough - especially because the case has more than enough room to breathe freely.

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Speaking of AC i kinda have a weird idea that somehow i can modify it to blow air right into the case via the Watercooling holes. i might be saying something stupid but what do you think of that ??? i dont know if the pc will take the freezing air.
It's probably not worth it because it sounds like it would just be a compensation instead of a solution. :/

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Here are some pics they have a mirror efect since i took them with my webcam

Wow not the answer i wanted to hear at all, so did they managed to get it fixed ???
I'm having trouble remembering, but I think one of the solutions was seeing if the heatsink could be installed tighter or something... I don't know. All I can really remember is that it seems to me that most people who have posted to say that they replaced the stock heatsink seemed to end up with higher temperatures. So either their heatsink isn't on tight enough, or it's some other issue like maybe the GPU and heatsink need to be lapped. But I really don't know.

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Cool im gonna give this method a try but which thermal paste you recommend i should use the AC5 or the MX-3 i heard the MX-3 doesn't have a cure time while the AC5 has.
I can't recommend anything because I have never removed a graphics card's heatsink. For all I know, it may be no different from a CPU in that as long as you use a decent paste, then you're fine. But I honestly don't know because I lack experience with graphics card heatsinks.

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Just to clarify when you say put the heatsink all the way doesn't mean that i had to tight the screws right??? just apply pressure with the heatsink and check if it did a good job.
"All the way" means installing it all the way as though you're finished and are preparing to put the card back in the system.

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Kind of a noob mistake on this one i didn't know it was going to affect the performance. but we all learn from our mistakes
I guess I'm lucky then. I mean, I never had an interest in replacing the stock paste and I am also subscribed to this thread, so I got to see what could possibly happen if I were to replace it. So now I know that I just need to leave it alone. After all, if it's not broken, then don't fix it.
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Hopefully someone didn't send it back because it didn't unlock
I thought all of these were pretty much guaranteed to unlock?
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I thought all of these were pretty much guaranteed to unlock?
Unfortunately, it has been found that there are a few hundred of these that absolutely will not accept a GTX 470's BIOS no matter what. In fact, NCIX in Canada sold (or may still be selling) a couple hundred (or maybe more) that they say are just regular GTX 465s which means they will not function with a GTX 470's BIOS.

So when buying an Open Box of this card, there's a chance that the reason why it was returned was because the previous owner could not "unlock" it.

But still: try it anyway.
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I thought all of these were pretty much guaranteed to unlock?
They pretty much are, but a select few have been unlucky enough to get a non-unlockable 465GE.
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Alright thanks fellas. Wouldn't hurt to try. Unlocking is just a flash of the bios correct? Never done it before but shouldn't be too hard.
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Alright thanks fellas. Wouldn't hurt to try. Unlocking is just a flash of the bios correct? Never done it before but shouldn't be too hard.
Yep, it's extremely easy. It's not really a process of "unlocking" the card; the ones that "unlock" were just GTX 470s binned as GTX 465s.

We'll show you how to do it though. It's a pretty simple process.
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Some advice for those having trouble overclocking their cards:

Make sure IF your CPU is overclocked that it is 100% stable. This means running at least 20 passes of LinX using ALL available memory.

From first hand experience I can say that if your CPU is not completely stable your video card will also not be stable.

With my 920 at stock speeds and settings and using .987V I was able to achieve 772MHz on the core and 1867MHz on the memory.

After a quick overclock to 4.0GHz w/o tuning for 100% stability, the card was not even able to stabilize 701MHz/1753MHz.

I'm sure running a unstable system and trying to overclock the videocard can also be detrimental to it's life span.

I suggest to OC the card first with CPU at stock speeds to see what it is exactly capable of, then OC the CPU and tune for 100% stability.
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