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My apologies if my comment seemed directed towards you. I know that even 10,000 pieces can still be considered Limited Edition. I wasn't rolling my eyes at what you said, but rather at MSI.

I think we can all agree that it was a bit surprising and maybe even slightly disappointing to see the #2977 card; Clear indication that there are not only 2500 being made. I mean that is what everyone reading this thread thought the ENTIRE time. This "fact" was even brought up several times as one of the main selling points of this card.

Surprised at MSI for, in a way, misleading us. Very curious now to know exactly how many are actually being made, just doesn't "feel" as limited edition as it did before.
Then perhaps 2500 was the intended maximum, but maybe they increased it because of this thread. Or, maybe 2500 wasn't accurate (I haven't seen anyone in this thread provide proof).

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I think you may be right on the money on this because......



He is getting arround 18.5k on 3d mark vantage with those clocks, and with my 825/1740 im getting 19.0k (just making a point not bragging )

So i guess i will just leave that profile when im in metro 2033. Or some game that the card cant max out.
But your system is different from his, and so that's why your score is different.

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Kinda of a stupid q, but what the hell...

In most of the games i play (except metro of course) i cant pass the 60.1 FPS this is with everything maxed out and my res is 1920x1080. It doesn't make any difference if i kick in my overclocked profile it stays right @ 60.1 FPS. How come i cant pass the 60.1 FPS when gaming???

I know that in vantage i can get over 60 FPS but why i cant get them in games?

I think wen you have over 60 FPS it doesn't make any difference to the human eye right ? So why do i bother i just want to know if im right on this.
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Whoooa thanks a lot cavi

I just did a quick test on Left 4 Dead 2 and I get over 200 fps now .

So what is this v-sync thing ? Does it really matter if it is turned on or off ? I didnt noticed any difference

What do you use or recommend when gaming leave it on or off ?
V-Sync is Vertical Sync, and it tries to synchronize the framerate with the refresh rate. So while disabling it allows for higher framerates, it also allows "screen tearing". Fortunately, you're not noticing screen tearing so I say leave it disabled! I mean, there probably is screen tearing, but you might be fortunate enough to just be the type of person who doesn't notice that kind of thing (some people just couldn't be bothered looking at that when they're trying to play their game while others are distracted by it, like me - and it sucks).

But regarding whether or not the human eye can see a difference: well, the answer is both yes and no. Technically speaking, the answer is no. But in reality, we can still detect smoother performance because the minimum framerate is higher!

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Jeez. So everybody hits 790-800? Figures I'd upgrade from a bum card and get another bum. On the plus side, my fan doesn't "knock" at any speed.
Ha! I'm maxed out at 765 core!
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I just bought my MSI GTX465 Twin Frozr II GE at newegg early this week, it came yesterday and the number on it is 2898. I was surprised, because I thought there was only 2500. Although, this just proves that there were many more that were produced than expected. Also, I was able to unlock it easily, so I do not think that what number you have affects whether it is unlockable.
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Hey guys. Ever since the release 260.99 driver, I have been experiencing a new issue with my GE and I'm wondering if you guys have any input.

First of all, the 260.99 driver is giving my 99% utilization in BF:BC2 which is GREAT! MY frame rates are much better than they used to be, so that's great.

However, about once per gaming session, BC2 will freeze (with a bunch of graphical corruption) and crash to desktop. I don't get any pop-up saying the driver failed and recovered and the desktop is totally corrupted and the only way to get it back to normal is to restart the PC.

I don't really understand this at all because my GPU is 100% stable at it's current overclock (700/1400/1675/1.038) through over an hour of OCCT. Not to mention, OCCT pushes temperatures much higher than BC2 does - OCCT will push me above 82C, whereas BC2 rarely ever cracks 65C during a multi-hour session.

Now, I'm wondering if this is a temperature related issue or a memory error issue or a lack of core voltage or something else

As I said, with 258.96, this never happened. However, those drivers never gave me 99% utilization in BC2 either (typically 65-70%).

Another point to note is that my CPU overclock (although Prime95 stable for roughly an hour before stopping it manually) is not stable in folding which causes a BSOD.

So what would you guys attribute this to? Suggestions on how to proceed with determining the issue?

Thanks!

P.S. - Has anyone tried removing the heat sink, sanding down the standoffs and reattaching the heat sink to achieve better contact between the GPU and sink? Results?

EDIT: Also just tested with 10 runs of IBT on Standard and it fails after 7 runs so I guess I need to stabilize my CPU overclock to rule that out.
Edited by kidwolf909 - 11/21/10 at 2:41pm
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Hey guys. Ever since the release 260.99 driver, I have been experiencing a new issue with my GE and I'm wondering if you guys have any input.

First of all, the 260.99 driver is giving my 99% utilization in BF:BC2 which is GREAT! MY frame rates are much better than they used to be, so that's great.

However, about once per gaming session, BC2 will freeze (with a bunch of graphical corruption) and crash to desktop. I don't get any pop-up saying the driver failed and recovered and the desktop is totally corrupted and the only way to get it back to normal is to restart the PC.

I don't really understand this at all because my GPU is 100% stable at it's current overclock (700/1400/1675/1.038) through over an hour of OCCT. Not to mention, OCCT pushes temperatures much higher than BC2 does - OCCT will push me above 82C, whereas BC2 rarely ever cracks 65C during a multi-hour session.

Now, I'm wondering if this is a temperature related issue or a memory error issue or a lack of core voltage or something else

As I said, with 258.96, this never happened. However, those drivers never gave me 99% utilization in BC2 either (typically 65-70%).

Another point to note is that my CPU overclock (although Prime95 stable for roughly an hour before stopping it manually) is not stable in folding which causes a BSOD.

So what would you guys attribute this to? Suggestions on how to proceed with determining the issue?

Thanks!

P.S. - Has anyone tried removing the heat sink, sanding down the standoffs and reattaching the heat sink to achieve better contact between the GPU and sink? Results?

EDIT: Also just tested with 10 runs of IBT on Standard and it fails after 7 runs so I guess I need to stabilize my CPU overclock to rule that out.
Based on everything here, including the edit, it's most definitely an unstable CPU overclock. 1 hour of Prime95 is actually almost nothing. A true determination of stability is 12 hours of Prime95's Small FFTs, Blend, and then the In-place large FFTs. After that, 50-100 runs of IBT utilizing at least 95% of your memory (use Task Manager to see the percentage).
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Based on everything here, including the edit, it's most definitely an unstable CPU overclock. 1 hour of Prime95 is actually almost nothing. A true determination of stability is 12 hours of Prime95's Small FFTs, Blend, and then the In-place large FFTs. After that, 50-100 runs of IBT utilizing at least 95% of your memory (use Task Manager to see the percentage).
Yea I figured. I was able to pass IBT on 10 runs with a vcore bump. My vdroop is so bad on this motherboard that it drops to 1.415 when i have it set at 1.475 in the BIOS. I'll be doing a pencil mod over the holiday weekend for sure. Regardless, hopefully this will tide me over until I can get under water this weekend and then I'll be able to truly stabilize my CPU overclock.

I'm really hoping that solves my problem because I DO NOT want to have to sell my 470 GE and move to something else if I don't have to.

Thanks twocables... you da man.
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Yea I figured. I was able to pass IBT on 10 runs with a vcore bump. My vdroop is so bad on this motherboard that it drops to 1.415 when i have it set at 1.475 in the BIOS. I'll be doing a pencil mod over the holiday weekend for sure. Regardless, hopefully this will tide me over until I can get under water this weekend and then I'll be able to truly stabilize my CPU overclock.

I'm really hoping that solves my problem because I DO NOT want to have to sell my 470 GE and move to something else if I don't have to.

Thanks twocables... you da man.
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Yea I figured. I was able to pass IBT on 10 runs with a vcore bump. My vdroop is so bad on this motherboard that it drops to 1.415 when i have it set at 1.475 in the BIOS. I'll be doing a pencil mod over the holiday weekend for sure. Regardless, hopefully this will tide me over until I can get under water this weekend and then I'll be able to truly stabilize my CPU overclock.

I'm really hoping that solves my problem because I DO NOT want to have to sell my 470 GE and move to something else if I don't have to.

Thanks twocables... you da man.
I experienced a similar issue with Dead Rising a few weeks back. I thought it was a driver/GPU issue but it actually ended up being a vcore issue. I added some CPU voltage and never experienced the crash again. I'm going to go ahead and assume your card is fine if it passes an hour of OCCT with those settings.

Easy to test, just set your CPU to stock and see if it BC2 crashes. If it still does (probably won't though ), then set your GPU to stock clocks.
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Upped the vcore, ran IBT for 20 passes on maximum RAM and then played BC2 for the last 2 hours with NO crashes

I'm hoping this lasts!
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Has anyone tried modifying the back bracket for more airflow? It seems pretty restrictive, but a good deal of air tries to escape from out the back. The only problem I see is that I think you need to remove the cooler to remove the bracket, and some people have lost a few c during reseating so it might negate the benefits if you don't have a paste better than AS5.

On side note, seriously, do they actually spread the paste with their fingers?
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Upped the vcore, ran IBT for 20 passes on maximum RAM and then played BC2 for the last 2 hours with NO crashes

I'm hoping this lasts!
Glad to hear it worked out for you. Now go enjoy some uninterrupted BC2.

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Has anyone tried modifying the back bracket for more airflow? It seems pretty restrictive, but a good deal of air tries to escape from out the back. The only problem I see is that I think you need to remove the cooler to remove the bracket, and some people have lost a few c during reseating so it might negate the benefits if you don't have a paste better than AS5.

On side note, seriously, do they actually spread the paste with their fingers?
I haven't heard of anyone modifying the bracket for this card. IMO, it's not really needed. Most of these cards have no problem staying under 70C, even mine in SLI load at ~66 and ~74 for the bottom and top card, respectively. Plus, like you said, if you need to remove the heatsink, you may actually raise the load temps after it's reseated.
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