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I agree 100%! The only reason I bought this card was because of the heatsink. I thought about it for days about putting the card under water, but I seriously couldn't get over taking off the heatsink and ruining the originality of the card. I kept thinking that I should have just bought a reference 470 when they were on sale for under $200




Same here. Games do not get the card nearly as hot as OCCT does. And I believe OCCT stresses the card more than Kombustor or Furmark. If I wasn't such a perfectionist I would just use BC2 or the games I mainly play to test for stability, since they don't stress the card as much.


Have you tried the pencil mod yet? From my experience it seems that both memory and core clock need to be raised together. That is why I refer to Nvidia factory clocks to set my overclocks. Before the pencil mod my memory reached only 1867MHz, and my core was capped at 772MHz. I couldn't even reach 797MHz, would crash almost immediately. After doing the pencil mod, memory clock went up to 2020MHz and core clock went up to 810MHz.
No I haven't tried the RAM pencil mod yet. I've had it open in my browser for a couple of weeks now, but I don't have a reliable multimeter lying around to use. I'm perfectly happy with the performance, but I do like tweaking and tinkering, so this chip is giving me quite the runaround lol.

I suppose I'll just try some overclocking using games as the reference for load to see how I do

Thanks again for your input! +rep
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Very good input! I'm very happy to see I'm not the only person experiencing this. I, too, have contemplated putting the card under water, but the reason that really pushed me to get this card was the heatsink, so removing it would be heartbreaking. I'm thinking that maybe sanding down the standoffs will help me temps.

I guess that will be my project over winter break after I get my radiator relocated.

As I said, I only get to ~65C in BC2 at 99% load, but OCCT really burns this thing up and I'm not sure how else to test stability of an overclock besides a program like OCCT or Kombustor or Furmark.

It's not too easy to keep alt-tabbing back and forth between games and Afterburner. and waiting for it to crash.
I'm not sure about this whole "temperature" thing as any Fermi GF100 was made to handle temp up to 105C.
For a stable OC testing, you can just use furmark/kombustor. OCCT only if you really need to know your max temp. For general 3D and gaming stability, passing 3dmark Vantage & 11, unigine heaven, metro 2033, crysis, lost planet 2, mafia 2 benchmarks without screen flickering/artifacts and keep temps in control then you're good to go.
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No I haven't tried the RAM pencil mod yet. I've had it open in my browser for a couple of weeks now, but I don't have a reliable multimeter lying around to use. I'm perfectly happy with the performance, but I do like tweaking and tinkering, so this chip is giving me quite the runaround lol.

I suppose I'll just try some overclocking using games as the reference for load to see how I do

Thanks again for your input! +rep
Lol I hear ya loud and clear. I'm sickly addicted to overclocking and always want to tweak something .

And as far as overclocking goes, I say you use nvidiainspector since it shows the actual clock the card is being set to. For example, if you set the card core clock to 800MHz in AB, it will actually be only at 797MHz. Same goes for memory clock. I don't know if this affects overclocking but it seems to be the 'right' way to do it.

Not a problem I'm glad I can help
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I've been wanting to do the pencil mod, I even went out and bought a multimeter, but I'm just not sure where to draw the line they describe, and what happens if you overvolt? They didn't really say what to do.
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I've been wanting to do the pencil mod, I even went out and bought a multimeter, but I'm just not sure where to draw the line they describe, and what happens if you overvolt? They didn't really say what to do.
Very easy to do if you have a multimeter. Check this link out. It's the CPU Magazine article that explains the mod in detail and has pictures highlighting the points where you draw the lines and check memory voltage. Go to pgs. 34-36.

They say that 1.59v is the limit for air cooling. If you're under water you can go higher, but I'm not sure how much higher. I'm sure there's a limit where increasing memory voltage no longer yields higher clocks so it's probably just trial and error.

But if you're using the stock cooler (as I am) stick with 1.59v. Under load it will go up to 1.60v. At stock it was at 1.53v idle, 1.54v load.

Also be VERY careful not to touch any other solder points OR anything else on the card other than the indicated one. I accidentally did this and the card turned itself off

When I was doing the mod I over-volted the memory up to 1.76v one time. Nothing happened. You should be okay if you don't run it over-volted for too long. I turned the system off right away. Just use a Q-Tip dipped in alcohol to wipe the resistor and try again. It's a bit tricky it took me several attempts to get it right at 1.59v.

EDIT: Found a better picture that shows the card from the angle that you will most likely be looking at it from. I did the mod with the card installed; system off of course. And make sure to blow on the resistor to get rid of any small fragments of lead that may be loosely making contact with it, and may blow away later, therefore altering your voltage.

Image originally posted by billy66Bare here:

Solder point where you check memory voltage on left (large rectangle).

Resistor on which you draw lines on the right (small rectangle).


Edited by spoolindsm127 - 12/17/10 at 2:45pm
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@ kidwolf

I dont know why OCCT doesn't like my card...

I can do 3dmark, play Metro 2033 (2 good hours) Kombustor , Furmark..... pretty much i can do everything with my overclocked profile 825/1740 @ 1.075MV but OCCT reports errors within a minute of testing. I really don't trust OCCT.

To me if my overclock is stable in games i can live happily .

I also have been wanting to do the pencil mod as well but i really dont know how to do it. One thing to flash a bios replacin some TIM and then there is hardware modding with a multimeter.

I want to ask to the guys who successfully did the pencil mod if they can make a video of showing the procedure , i know a lot of people will be gratefull .
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@spoolindsm127 - that makes sense now, I will give it a shot.

@shremi - have you tried 800c-1600s-1800mem?

I find there's no difference between 800 & 825 and the 800 OC settings seem to be the most stable for me.

I want to do the pencil mod so I can get 2000 MHZ stable with 850 clocks.

Ok, I'm a dummy for using the Multimeter, I can't seem to get a reading from it, is it set up correctly?



plus, the back of my card is slightly different, but I think I know where to go, is this correct?


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@spoolindsm127 - that makes sense now, I will give it a shot.

@shremi - have you tried 800c-1600s-1800mem?

I find there's no difference between 800 & 825 and the 800 OC settings seem to be the most stable for me.

I want to do the pencil mod so I can get 2000 MHZ stable with 850 clocks.

Ok, I'm a dummy for using the Multimeter, I can't seem to get a reading from it, is it set up correctly?

plus, the back of my card is slightly different, but I think I know where to go, is this correct?
You're fine. The pencil mod is one of the first times I've ever used a multimeter.

It's set up right as far as I can tell. And the locations you pointed out on the back of your card are correct also. Where are you touching the black (Ground) lead? The article says anywhere on the case where it makes contact with the PSU.

EDIT: Is it just the picture, or is the solder point on your card covered in some sort of black substance? Or is it silver and exposed? Also are you doing this with the card on idle or under load?
Edited by spoolindsm127 - 12/17/10 at 4:49pm
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You're fine. The pencil mod is one of the first times I've ever used a multimeter.

It's set up right as far as I can tell. And the locations you pointed out on the back of your card are correct also. Where are you touching the black (Ground) lead? The article says anywhere on the case where it makes contact with the PSU.
I'm touching the bottom of the case right by the PSU with the black, and with the red I touched where it is shown on the pic, but it's not giving me a reading, and it shut down my computer while I was touching it.

Maybe I have the cables in the wrong slots?
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I'm touching the bottom of the case right by the PSU with the black, and with the red I touched where it is shown on the pic, but it's not giving me a reading, and it shut down my computer while I was touching it.

Maybe I have the cables in the wrong slots?
You might be right I think it's your cables. If you are not getting a reading at all then that makes sense.

There's a diagram on the multimeter where the slots are that illustrates the connection pathway. It's a bit technical for me but what it tells you is where the Ground goes. See how the bottom-most slot shows an arrow going out to the left then DOWN? That's most likely Ground.

My bad for not noticing, as you can tell I'm a noob with multimeters. Switch the cables and I think you're set
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