Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › NVIDIA › MSI GTX465 Twin Frozr II Golden Edition Owners Club
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

MSI GTX465 Twin Frozr II Golden Edition Owners Club - Page 100

post #991 of 5083
OK so i have a question, what are some good benches to run so that i can compare my 5850 (at 1000/1300 on 1.212 volts), to my new GTX twin frozn pre and post flash. Never really ran any benches so sorry for the noob question.
Monthly Changes
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
x3440 MSI Big Bang Fuzion xfx 5850 Mushkin 2000mhz (7-10-8-27-2T) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
256 Crucial SSD, 1tb WD Black, 2TB WD Green Win 7 64bit I-Inc 25" XFX 850 watt 
Case
Haf X 
  hide details  
Reply
Monthly Changes
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
x3440 MSI Big Bang Fuzion xfx 5850 Mushkin 2000mhz (7-10-8-27-2T) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
256 Crucial SSD, 1tb WD Black, 2TB WD Green Win 7 64bit I-Inc 25" XFX 850 watt 
Case
Haf X 
  hide details  
Reply
post #992 of 5083
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslash View Post
yeah my first post with the results a few pages back was at x16/x16...ok here it is:
it's a tad bit higher
I'll try a higher OC later and post results, my CPU isn't the greatest overclocker (it's an early C0 stepping)
That's quite alright. If you can only get to 3.4 GHz, then that's where we'll stay.


That previous run at x16/x16 (CPU @ 3.2 GHz) scored higher than your x16/x4 (CPU @ 3.4 GHz). I think you could break 30K with your CPU at 3.4 GHz and x16/x16 configuration. Where you on SP1 or SP2 for that test?


Out of curiosity, how hot did the cards get when they were next to each other? I only have the option of running them that way and I'm getting somewhat concerned about heat.
post #993 of 5083
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frosty88 View Post
Can't wait to find out if that unlocks.



Thanks Gunslash!

Since the the GPU score increased by almost 1000 points with a 200 MHz bump in your CPU clock seems to show that they are indeed bottlenecked. If you're comfortable with it, try overclocking to 3.6 GHz to see if it increases again.


Also, did you run vantage with both cards at x16/x16 at all? I figure x4 may be limiting that second card a fair amount.
I'm not trying to start an argument but actually what this means is that Vantage is extremely CPU clock-speed biased, so you get big gains, especially with an i7 for every 100 MHz you can squeeze out of the CPU.
post #994 of 5083
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by a2hopper View Post
OK so i have a question, what are some good benches to run so that i can compare my 5850 (at 1000/1300 on 1.212 volts), to my new GTX twin frozn pre and post flash. Never really ran any benches so sorry for the noob question.
I did a search on Guru 3D and came up with these. Hope this helps.

AVP: http://downloads.guru3d.com/Aliens-v...load-2553.html

Stalker CoP: http://downloads.guru3d.com/S.T.A.L....load-2433.html

Resident Evil 5: http://downloads.guru3d.com/Resident...load-2331.html

Street Fighter IV: http://downloads.guru3d.com/Street-F...load-2310.html

3D Mark Vantage: http://downloads.guru3d.com/3DMark-V...load-1906.html

3D Mark Vantage Patch: http://downloads.guru3d.com/3DMark-V...load-2292.html
post #995 of 5083
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarmy View Post
I'm not trying to start an argument but actually what this means is that Vantage is extremely CPU clock-speed biased, so you get big gains, especially with an i7 for every 100 MHz you can squeeze out of the CPU.

Would the GPU score still increase from a higher CPU clock rather than the CPU becoming less of a bottleneck for the GPUs? That sounds confusing....

Basically, if the bottleneck was non-existent and the CPU was overclocked, would the GPU score still increase as well as the CPU score?


I figured the CPU and total score would increase but the GPU score would stay around the same, unless overclocking the CPU was actually decreasing a bottleneck.
Edited by Frosty88 - 8/9/10 at 9:07am
post #996 of 5083
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCspecV81 View Post
Here's how I applied this TIM: Glob in the middle; Spread even with straight edge across the entire IHS. I'll let the picture tell the story.

Aha ... now THAT picture matches up with the story
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon X5675 6-core @ 4.1ghz (1.29v, 20x205 +ht ) rampage iii extreme msi rx470 gaming X (the $159 budget king) 3 x 2gb corsair xms3 pc12800 (9-9-9-24-1T@1600MHz) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
hynix 250gb ssd (boot), 2tb deskstar (apps),1tb... plextor px-712sa - still the best optical drive... corsair h8o v2 aio W10 home 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
asus vw266h 25.5" (1920x1200) abs sl (enermax revolution) * single 70A rail 850w silverstone rv-03 XFi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon X5675 6-core @ 4.1ghz (1.29v, 20x205 +ht ) rampage iii extreme msi rx470 gaming X (the $159 budget king) 3 x 2gb corsair xms3 pc12800 (9-9-9-24-1T@1600MHz) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
hynix 250gb ssd (boot), 2tb deskstar (apps),1tb... plextor px-712sa - still the best optical drive... corsair h8o v2 aio W10 home 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
asus vw266h 25.5" (1920x1200) abs sl (enermax revolution) * single 70A rail 850w silverstone rv-03 XFi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
post #997 of 5083
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frosty88 View Post
Would the GPU score still increase from a higher CPU clock rather than the CPU becoming less of a bottleneck for the GPUs? That sounds confusing....

Basically, if the bottleneck was non-existent and the CPU was overclocked, would the GPU score still increase as well as the CPU score?
Well, the other thing that comes into play when using nvidia GPUs is PhysX, so in order to get an accurate CPU score in the first place, you must turn off PhysX (PPU) in Vantage.

And to answer your question, no, logically the GPU score should not increase from a higher CPU clock, but I'm not exactly sure how Vantage calculates everything..
post #998 of 5083
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarmy View Post
Well, the other thing that comes into play when using nvidia GPUs is PhysX, so in order to get an accurate CPU score in the first place, you must turn off PhysX (PPU) in Vantage.

And to answer your question, no, logically the GPU score should not increase from a higher CPU clock, but I'm not exactly sure how Vantage calculates everything..
Ah yes.....PhysX. I always forget about that, too used to ATi cards!

I still think there's a bottleneck though.
post #999 of 5083
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslash View Post
OK a couple people asked, so here are the results for running the GPUs with the CPU clocked at 3.2ghz VS 3.4ghz.
I re-did the initial 3.2ghz run since I updated to SP2 and also the second card went from a x16 PCIE slot to a x4 to separate the two ( it was getting HOT).
first is the run@3.2ghz second at 3.4ghz

I'm a little unhappy to be honest ( with the increase, the cards are GREAT!), maybe I've to ramp it up a bit...
Well, for my part that's what I was hoping to see, a decent bump in score from the CPU overclock. As I shared earlier I was able to get around 32k with two actual 470's in SLI w/my chip at 4.0, so I was hoping your score was lower just cause of the CPU being at 3.2, and it looks like that's exactly what it is. If +700 points results from going 3.2->3.4 it would seem that 4.0 would put you right around the 32K I was expecting assuming these cards truly work just like 470's.

I'm impressed that the hit to the score was so small from moving the 2nd card to a 4x slot, <1000 gpu points is really not bad for such a move, esp in a situation that's already CPU bottlenecked.

And if I've said this once, I've said a 1000 times ... it's time to retire Performance mode in Vantage around here. High or Extreme is SO much less prone to bottlenecking it's not even funny. Why any of us care how such mighty cards do at 1280x1024 is just beyond me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarmy View Post
And to answer your question, no, logically the GPU score should not increase from a higher CPU clock, but I'm not exactly sure how Vantage calculates everything..
Actually it's totally logical ... it's what happens when the test is too easy for the GPU(s).

Vantage Performance with 2x465's is running so much faster than that test was ever designed for. Remember it was made years ago now, to test like 8800GTX's and such. Now with two monster fermi's in SLI, the framerate is so high that the CPU can't keep up, i.e. the cards are cpu-bottlenecked at the Performance mode settings (1280x1024, 1xAA, etc).

In Extreme mode, you'd get the very close to the exact same GPU score with an i7 at 2.66GHz or 4.0GHz
Edited by brettjv - 8/9/10 at 9:25am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon X5675 6-core @ 4.1ghz (1.29v, 20x205 +ht ) rampage iii extreme msi rx470 gaming X (the $159 budget king) 3 x 2gb corsair xms3 pc12800 (9-9-9-24-1T@1600MHz) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
hynix 250gb ssd (boot), 2tb deskstar (apps),1tb... plextor px-712sa - still the best optical drive... corsair h8o v2 aio W10 home 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
asus vw266h 25.5" (1920x1200) abs sl (enermax revolution) * single 70A rail 850w silverstone rv-03 XFi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon X5675 6-core @ 4.1ghz (1.29v, 20x205 +ht ) rampage iii extreme msi rx470 gaming X (the $159 budget king) 3 x 2gb corsair xms3 pc12800 (9-9-9-24-1T@1600MHz) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
hynix 250gb ssd (boot), 2tb deskstar (apps),1tb... plextor px-712sa - still the best optical drive... corsair h8o v2 aio W10 home 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
asus vw266h 25.5" (1920x1200) abs sl (enermax revolution) * single 70A rail 850w silverstone rv-03 XFi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1000 of 5083
calling out in transit
calling out in transit
my cards have now escaped cerritos
my cards have now escaped cerritos

+10000 internets to whoever knows what song I'm messing with there ...

Edited by brettjv - 8/9/10 at 9:33am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon X5675 6-core @ 4.1ghz (1.29v, 20x205 +ht ) rampage iii extreme msi rx470 gaming X (the $159 budget king) 3 x 2gb corsair xms3 pc12800 (9-9-9-24-1T@1600MHz) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
hynix 250gb ssd (boot), 2tb deskstar (apps),1tb... plextor px-712sa - still the best optical drive... corsair h8o v2 aio W10 home 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
asus vw266h 25.5" (1920x1200) abs sl (enermax revolution) * single 70A rail 850w silverstone rv-03 XFi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon X5675 6-core @ 4.1ghz (1.29v, 20x205 +ht ) rampage iii extreme msi rx470 gaming X (the $159 budget king) 3 x 2gb corsair xms3 pc12800 (9-9-9-24-1T@1600MHz) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
hynix 250gb ssd (boot), 2tb deskstar (apps),1tb... plextor px-712sa - still the best optical drive... corsair h8o v2 aio W10 home 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
asus vw266h 25.5" (1920x1200) abs sl (enermax revolution) * single 70A rail 850w silverstone rv-03 XFi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: NVIDIA
Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › NVIDIA › MSI GTX465 Twin Frozr II Golden Edition Owners Club