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Not too sure about that.

Llano is the majority of their sales. And the way the trend towards notebooks, tablets and netbooks is going, llano is a very powerful chip.

It is so enticing to the end user because it is cheap, uses less power, but is still enough to play games, watch HD movies etc.

Us enthusiasts like to think we are an important niche, but we account for very little revenue to the company. The biggest market is the average joe end user, and the server sector.

BD is already confirmed 50% more data throughput, which is also enticing for the server users looking to get Interlagos. This is where AMD has always been successful too.

On top of all that, AMD has sort of an invisible safety net as a company. Intel has a major monopoly on the market, and I'm sure there would be intervention by the government before they let Intel dominate every aspect of the semi-conductor market.
True,but many need more more than what two or four 1.5-2.0Ghz cores can provide,and Phenom II sales are dropping rapidly because users and switching to a SB chip instead.
As you may have seen in the benchmark tests,the A8-3500M cannot compete with the mobile i5 in CPU tests,but obliterates it in graphics tests. We have yet to know how well Llano does in a desktop. But for more power than a Phenom II you will need a BD.
Intel pretty much controls the CPU market already,so they're close. I'm sure the government would step in if AMD were to fall,leaving Intel with full reign over the semi-conductor market,however Intel has contracts with the government,along with their business practices, so I'm kinda doubtful.
    
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True,but many need more more than what two or four 1.5-2.0Ghz cores can provide,and Phenom II sales are dropping rapidly because users and switching to a SB chip instead.
As you may have seen in the benchmark tests,the A8-3500M cannot compete with the mobile i5 in CPU tests,but obliterates it in graphics tests. We have yet to know how well Llano does in a desktop. But for more power than a Phenom II you will need a BD.
Intel pretty much controls the CPU market already,so they're close. I'm sure the government would step in if AMD were to fall,leaving Intel with full reign over the semi-conductor market,however Intel has contracts with the government,along with their business practices, so I'm kinda doubtful.
Intel needs AMD.

Anywho the thing about llano is:

Take llano in a laptop and do all your normal web browsing, business documents, games etc.

Take a mobile i5 and do the same.

Will you see a difference in the 2D application speed? Probably not. They are both powerful CPU's. The average user will never ever run a CPU test.

Take the 3D game test. Even if the i5 is faster CPU wise, it will fall short in the graphics department. Llano is clearly a mainstream winner between the two.
 
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post #1393 of 10602
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Intel needs AMD.

Anywho the thing about llano is:

Take llano in a laptop and do all your normal web browsing, business documents, games etc.

Take a mobile i5 and do the same.

Will you see a difference in the 2D application speed? Probably not. They are both powerful CPU's. The average user will never ever run a CPU test.

Take the 3D game test. Even if the i5 is faster CPU wise, it will fall short in the graphics department. Llano is clearly a mainstream winner between the two.
Intel does need AMD to keep their prices in check,and so Intel can't stick us with the same CPU for 5 years,etc.
I really like Llano because of that,it has a good CPU and a powerful GPU,all while still giving you a decent battery life. It's kind of pointless to have the more poweful i5 without the addition of a discrete GPU anyway,you can't really do anything more than 2D apllications.
Adding a AMD or Nvidia discrete GPU to it yields a much shorter time away from a plug in.
I'm considering a llano notebook,I could care less about benchmarking it,all I want it to do is be able to perform 2D applications & mlutitasking efficiently,and play the occasional game.
Edited by Heavy MG - 6/16/11 at 7:53pm
    
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One important thing to remember is that they never said what year BD was coming out ?
That is a patently untrue statement. We clearly said 2011.
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JF just let it go already.... it's took to long ....
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Intel does need AMD to keep their prices in check,and so Intel can't stick us with the same CPU for 5 years,etc.
The reverse is also true. AMD integrated graphics have pretty much remained stagnant since 2008, likely owing to NVIDIA's exit from the chipset business. Meanwhile, Intel's integrated graphics have improved significantly compared to older iterations. If Intel hadn't improved their integrated graphics performance, Brazos and Lynx probably wouldn't be as good as they are. AMD has to straggle the fine line between making their integrated graphics better than the competition while still not being good enough that it will cannibalize sales of their low-end discrete graphics cards. As it is, some of the Llano benchmarks show the iGPU to perform similar to the HD 6450.
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jf just let it go already.... It's took to long ....
lol?
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The reverse is also true. AMD integrated graphics have pretty much remained stagnant since 2008, likely owing to NVIDIA's exit from the chipset business. Meanwhile, Intel's integrated graphics have improved significantly compared to older iterations. If Intel hadn't improved their integrated graphics performance, Brazos and Lynx probably wouldn't be as good as they are. AMD has to straggle the fine line between making their integrated graphics better than the competition while still not being good enough that it will cannibalize sales of their low-end discrete graphics cards. As it is, some of the Llano benchmarks show the iGPU to perform similar to the HD 6450.
It is not integrated graphics with Bulldozer. It is FUSION!
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That is a patently untrue statement. We clearly said 2011.
Here's another patently untrue statement.



Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Expect isn't a definitive statement.

Though I agree with you in princible.
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