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I have no idea and have made the decision that commenting on client stuff only gave me grief because people on the boards can't act like adults. Since I do this on my own time I don't need the aggrivation.
JF-AMD can you tell us what is crippled on them Engineer Samples?
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JF-AMD can you tell us what is crippled on them Engineer Samples?
Probably not.
AMD is going to quite some lengths to make sure "real" performance numbers aren't leaked. Sure old and potentially crippled engineer samples made it to the interwebs, but AMD expected as much.

Anyway... On July 15 (right?) [H]ard|OCP is having an event pertaining to K15.
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Probably not.
AMD is going to quite some lengths to make sure "real" performance numbers aren't leaked. Sure old and potentially crippled engineer samples made it to the interwebs, but AMD expected as much.

Anyway... On July 15 (right?) [H]ard|OCP is having an event pertaining to K15.
July 16th
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Ah! The 16th.
Thanks.
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Nothing is "crippled", why would you build an engineering sample without all of the functionality?

Engineering samples are built for validation and testing, NOT for performance. You want as many samples as possible to do all of your test so you shoot for high yields, which generally implies low clock speed.

Performance is based on:
The silicon
The microcode in the silicon
The BIOS
The compiler updates
The drivers
The OS optimizations
Performance tuning by engineers

When you are looking at the alleged sample performance what you are seeing is a big bowl of dough that has not been baked into bread.

There are too many people on the internet making stupid comments about BD performance based on engineering results that might or might not be real.

Everyone needs to take it down a notch because what you are seeing, if you are actually seeing real results, is not indicitive of the final performance. You should all be smart enough to understand this, but somehow I keep having to explain this over and over.
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Nothing is "crippled", why would you build an engineering sample without all of the functionality?

Engineering samples are built for validation and testing, NOT for performance. You want as many samples as possible to do all of your test so you shoot for high yields, which generally implies low clock speed.

Performance is based on:
The silicon
The microcode in the silicon
The BIOS
The compiler updates
The drivers
The OS optimizations
Performance tuning by engineers

When you are looking at the alleged sample performance what you are seeing is a big bowl of dough that has not been baked into bread.

There are too many people on the internet making stupid comments about BD performance based on engineering results that might or might not be real.

Everyone needs to take it down a notch because what you are seeing, if you are actually seeing real results, is not indicitive of the final performance. You should all be smart enough to understand this, but somehow I keep having to explain this over and over.
JF, I think most people get it... but it is just frustration. People are waiting for something that might be good that will be released on a unknown date in Q3. In that type of situation sometimes frustration boils over and things are said that aren't really rational.

Let's just hope that there isn't another schedule slip and the desktop chips are released in August like it was stated in the keynote during Computex.
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Perhaps people are getting a wee bit "desperate".
There is far too much conflicting information out there to jump to any reasonable conclusions regarding BD.

All we can do is wait it out.
Just like the dozens of times before.
post #1548 of 10602
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Nothing is "crippled", why would you build an engineering sample without all of the functionality?

Engineering samples are built for validation and testing, NOT for performance. You want as many samples as possible to do all of your test so you shoot for high yields, which generally implies low clock speed.

Performance is based on:
The silicon
The microcode in the silicon
The BIOS
The compiler updates
The drivers
The OS optimizations
Performance tuning by engineers

When you are looking at the alleged sample performance what you are seeing is a big bowl of dough that has not been baked into bread.

There are too many people on the internet making stupid comments about BD performance based on engineering results that might or might not be real.

Everyone needs to take it down a notch because what you are seeing, if you are actually seeing real results, is not indicitive of the final performance. You should all be smart enough to understand this, but somehow I keep having to explain this over and over.
Thank you for that explanation. I learned something. You sir, need a vacation.
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JF forgot one little thing that is the main performance factor in the case of OBR's results.

THE USER.
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Yeah JF-AMD some people don't understand. They see benchmarks real or not and are like it sucks or its slow, when it is not the final product. People will never understand ES is engineering sample, which basically for people who don't understand is for testing to make sure the all the features work.

Performance comes after all the testing is done 100%. Some just never understand it.
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