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post #4061 of 10602
9/4/11 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by Slappy Mcgee View Post
If what Cilus wrote is true regarding BD, then what I have believed to be the idea behind BD's design of 2 cores sharing a module will be true. Intel has HT to create a virtual core for each physical core, to share the workload between them. BD has 2 cores in a module and within the module those 2 cores can share the workload. So a module is AMD's response to INtel's Hyperthreading. Instead of a physical and a virtual core (Intel) sharing the workload it is 2 physical cores (AMD).

This puts a big smile on my face if true.
That's... kinda the point of multi-core.
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post #4062 of 10602
9/4/11 at 6:19pm
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That's... kinda the point of multi-core.
True but for instance, a Quad Core Intel is seen as an Octocore by the OS but its really just 4 physical and 4 virtual cores. With an AMD Octocore, you get 8 physical cores, there is no virtualizaion, that's 8 full fledged cores. Seeing as how you have 2 Physical Cores in a Module that will share a work load between each other, IMO that is better then having a Physical core and a Virtual to share work load.

This is how I see it as an example;
Intel - You run windows 7 and have a Virtual Machine of XP. Win 7 is the physical real OS, and by itself it can utilize 100% of the hardware it is installed on, but when you start up the VM of XP. You then have 2 OS's running on the same hardware and because of this they both run slower then if they were installed separately on different machines, since Windows 7 has to use some of its resources to run the Virtual XP system.

BD - You have win 7 on one machine and XP on another but with identical hardware. So they both can take full advantage of being separate and perform better.


AGAIN THIS IS JUST MY SPECULATION OF BD MODULE DESIGN AND WHY I BELIEVE IT WILL PERFORM BETTER THEN INTEL'S HYPER-THREADING.
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9/4/11 at 6:31pm
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If what Cilus wrote is true regarding BD, then what I have believed to be the idea behind BD's design of 2 cores sharing a module will be true. Intel has HT to create a virtual core for each physical core, to share the workload between them. BD has 2 cores in a module and within the module those 2 cores can share the workload. So a module is AMD's response to INtel's Hyperthreading. Instead of a physical and a virtual core (Intel) sharing the workload it is 2 physical cores (AMD).

This puts a big smile on my face if true.
whats does this mean for games
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9/4/11 at 6:41pm
the thing about the module sharing its ressource + turbo core 2.0 could really help with poorly threaded apps ... say 2 or 4 core task could help share the instruction pipe at a penalty but turbo core would kick in to help out remove some of that performance hit taken from sharing the ressource


and that's the first thing ill gladly read once the nda is off right after seeing how it scales and perform in general tasks and such


but from all we know so far im sure i wont be disapointed with that release
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9/4/11 at 6:43pm
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True but for instance, a Quad Core Intel is seen as an Octocore by the OS but its really just 4 physical and 4 virtual cores. With an AMD Octocore, you get 8 physical cores, there is no virtualizaion, that's 8 full fledged cores. Seeing as how you have 2 Physical Cores in a Module that will share a work load between each other, IMO that is better then having a Physical core and a Virtual to share work load.

This is how I see it as an example;
Intel - You run windows 7 and have a Virtual Machine of XP. Win 7 is the physical real OS, and by itself it can utilize 100% of the hardware it is installed on, but when you start up the VM of XP. You then have 2 OS's running on the same hardware and because of this they both run slower then if they were installed separately on different machines, since Windows 7 has to use some of its resources to run the Virtual XP system.

BD - You have win 7 on one machine and XP on another but with identical hardware. So they both can take full advantage of being separate and perform better.


AGAIN THIS IS JUST MY SPECULATION OF BD MODULE DESIGN AND WHY I BELIEVE IT WILL PERFORM BETTER THEN INTEL'S HYPER-THREADING.
And that's the point of Bulldozer!

Not trying to be rude or a know-it-all or anything, just pointing that out. It's the reasoning behind the design.

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whats does this mean for games
That depends. BF3? Godsent. StarCraft? Meh.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post
Based on Intel's history, it does.

Just looking at the latest...

From 45nm to 32nm higher overclocks are possible. Proof is in the pudding.

With Nehalem, you need water cooling to get past 4.0 - 4.2.

Sandy Bridge does 4.5 - 5.0 on air with ease.
90nm P4s got 4Ghz easy, a lot of 65nm C2Ds didn't.

Node =/= OCing potential, IMO it has more to do with the architecture and if you run into a voltage or cooling wall, but the addition of 3D transistors makes it a bit muddy, they may enable greater OCs, but IB will mostly be refining the SB architecture, with Haswell being the new architecture, like how the Athlon64 hit a wall at 3Ghz, but moving to 65nm or refining it (Phenom I) didn't really help it.

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Originally Posted by Homeles View Post
There will be architecture changes with IB as well. How extensive hasn't been said, but it's not just a die shrink.
It's the usual die-shrink for Intel, mostly just a bit of optimization and making the chip work with the new technology in the new node.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Not necessarily. Close to 80% of the market falls into the "processor unaware" category. either they do not understand the differences or there is something other than processor that is driving the purchase (i.e. HD size, memory, screen, PC brand, etc.) It is a fallacy to think that winning a benchmark in a game will translate into other people that don't care about that game suddenly wanting to consider it.

For instance, if I told you that AMD wiped the floor with SB in Farmville by 50%, would that make you buy it? Probably not.
I think he was more referring to the people that build computers for family members, and may be fanboys of a certain brand/prefer to use whatever processor brand they have running at home, it wouldn't be that big of a number though.
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9/4/11 at 6:58pm
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And that's the point of Bulldozer!

Not trying to be rude or a know-it-all or anything, just pointing that out. It's the reasoning behind the design.
I didn't think you were being rude
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9/4/11 at 7:07pm
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We're all waiting for Ivy Bridge. Should be a pretty amazing chip. 5.5Ghz overclocks on air
Why do you now keep trolling the BD threads? Is it to show off you have a SB now?

Also, what is it with these chowderheads that keep posting SB and IB crap here when they have been told OVER AND OVER AND OVER that this thread is for BD only, not anything Intel!!!!! No wonder why this thread gets locked down every day or so, it's the stupid people acting like kids and don't listen to the mods AT ALL!

OT: Since Gigabyte released info on BD support for AM3+ mobos, have they released anything related to AM3 mobos bios update for supporting FX cpus?
Edited by Obakemono - 9/4/11 at 7:14pm
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9/4/11 at 7:12pm
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90nm P4s got 4Ghz easy, a lot of 65nm C2Ds didn't.

Node =/= OCing potential, IMO.

100% right

and you did provide a good example of it


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Why do you now keep trolling the BD threads? Is it to show off you have a SB now?
probably .. because i thinks it will offend us ... and by us i mean the people who are waiting to buy a bulldozer or whatever
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9/4/11 at 8:57pm
Thank you JF for your responses today, they were very informative!
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