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post #5561 of 10602
9/18/11 at 5:56am
So it's possible AMD could throw a curve ball and surprise everyone with an announcement of either (A) an earlier launch or (B) another delay. Nobody knows, we can only wait to hear something official from AMD.
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post #5562 of 10602
9/18/11 at 7:39am
Sad thing is that the mods have probably lost interest in this thread..
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post #5563 of 10602
9/18/11 at 8:01am
Well, what else can be said on the subject? With the help of JF we atlest know that there wouldn't be any real benchmarks and we can't possibly know the launch date (remember "launch date and benchmarks on the launch date" thing ) so that leaves us with nothing else except to wait.

There is no point in this thread for now ...
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post #5564 of 10602
9/18/11 at 8:26am
Err did JF not understand that I posted that in defense of him? But then he attacks me for it. Ok.
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post #5565 of 10602
9/18/11 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by chew* View Post
There are many bios options that can effect the outcome of benches.

HPET is 1 for example, it stops the cpu from throttling back in mulithreaded apps.

Running pi on a cluster, versus a core ( 2 threads ) versus being able to disable a single cluster in a core ( which 99% boards/bios's do not have implemented so resources are not shared ) can all influence the results in single threaded.

Knowing all this tells you one thing for sure, you can make it look worse or make it look better all depending on your knowledge of the chip and or your intentions.

As far as PI it's an antiquated bench and has not been AMD's strong point for quite some time.

Granted some results shown tend to lead to the fact that 1m times are bad but looking at the bigger picture we also know that in many cases you can validate 1000mhz higher in many cases with BD, which would point to the fact that you can run 1m at alot faster speeds than current AMD tech.

Things that make you go hmm like what kind of times will we see at 8 gig or even comparing BD to deneb/thuban when same cooling is used.
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post #5566 of 10602
9/18/11 at 8:41am
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there are tons of childish post directed at john on a daily basis ...


some are even deleted by mods due to their extremely disrespectuf taste
I don't disagree, I just meant that in the quoted post I did not see anything that was attacking John

Maybe this should be one of those threads that you can only post after having X amount of post's under your belt
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post #5567 of 10602
9/18/11 at 8:59am
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I have always been overly aware of launch dates. When I make statements, those are based on two things: the schedule estimates at the time and the public launch statement.

Public launch statements are the official plan of record and that is all I am allowed to say. Period. If the launch date changes, nobody is allowed to make a statement about the the new date until PR/AR has approved it and usually it is a senior executive that makes the statement because launch dates and shipping dates have implications for wall street.

Earlier this year, when we believe that the launch date was Q2 for client and Q3 for server, every time I was asked, that is what I said. If you were anal-retentive enough to read all of my posts, you would see there was a point where I stopped answering that question. I knew the launch date had changed, but a new one had not been communicated publicly yet.



That was not a lie. At the time that statement was made, that was the expectation.

Have you ever flown on a plane? This afternoon I have a 3:45 flight. The airline has told me, ever since I booked the flight, that it leaves at 3:45. If I end up leaving Austin at 4:30, has the airline flat out lied to me? No. Things change.
I get what you mean,but a flight delay of about an hour or less is no big deal. Intel SB has been out for 8 months,while BD has been delayed since June.
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Err did JF not understand that I posted that in defense of him? But then he attacks me for it. Ok.
You took it as an attack? Pehaps you should read it again.
I can understand him being a bit angry or fed up though,he has a lot to deal with.
Edited by Heavy MG - 9/18/11 at 9:16am
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post #5568 of 10602
9/18/11 at 10:11am
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isnt bulldozer releasing tomorrow? CMON AMD WE HAVE WAITED LONG ENOUGH!!!!
ya what happened to releasing on 19th and 22nd??
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post #5569 of 10602
9/18/11 at 10:18am
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I'm looking but I do not see a direct attack at John....well maybe the one post by Phantom123 but I am not sure if that was a directed at John

Edit: at least in the post to quoted
I didn't see an attack either.

However, people need to get it into their heads that I am passing off the most accurate information at any given time. I realize that we are not shipping according to the original schedules, but that is part of life. Things can change.

I look at it like a football game. there are those that love to watch the game, see the interaction, watch the teams go up and down, and then at the end, there is a final score. Others just want the final score. If my bears are up by 14 in the first half and lose to my wife's saints at the end (or as she puts it "as it was intended"), that does not mean that they were not leading at one point in the game or that the statement "the bears are ahead" is either misleading or a lie. It is the truth at that point in the game.

I have not lied, I have not mislead people. But I have been wrong. That I will admit to because I am human. We have all been wrong.

I have always maintained that a.) people should buy what they want and b.) people should buy when they want.
post #5570 of 10602
9/18/11 at 10:22am
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I can understand him being a bit angry or fed up though,he has a lot to deal with.
Agreed, but he chooses, of all posts, to quote mine over the others?

Seems he wanted to make an example of me, even though my post is essentially absolving him of his faults. That's why I didn't understand it. And if you read my post you will see my tone is benevolent, not antagonistic.

Anyway I'll let it slide, JF has seen alot of nonsense thrown his way, he's human after all.
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