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Stupid intel troll, go back to your cave!!!
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Aahhhh, don't be too hard on him, the kids got problems. 47°C idle temps on a i7-920 DO, with 91°C on load.
The fan noise from his 2 sycthe s flex's and 1 sharkoon on his Noctua NH-D14 must be causing brain damage.
jokes like this always make my day
    
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I hope AMD tells how many transistors and how big the die area of the 8 core bulldozer chip will be at Cebit.
We won't.

Not sure why it matters except for people to argue back and forth. Die size and transistor counts don't matter much, performance, power consumption and price matter.
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We won't.

Not sure why it matters except for people to argue back and forth. Die size and transistor counts don't matter much, performance, power consumption and price matter.
Well the die size and transistor count usually tie in to how much the chip cost to make (chips per wafer etc). Also bigger the die usually more heat and power that is needed. So it all ties itself in. That's why i want to know so badly
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Please draw a graph and chart out die size to actual customer price and tell me if there is a correlation. Cost and price are 2 different things and cost does not always drive price. The correlation is loose, at best.

As to power and heat, again, the correlation is not as great there. There are far better variables to look at. I can show you larger designs that run cooler than some small dies.
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980x cost per die size.
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Well the die size and transistor count usually tie in to how much the chip cost to make (chips per wafer etc). Also bigger the die usually more heat and power that is needed. So it all ties itself in. That's why i want to know so badly
even if John told you numbers, you hardly could compare them - there is nothing similar/close to it.
intel is using very different process - again out of luck here.

BD octo die is slightly smaller than thuban hexa
    
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even if John told you numbers, you hardly could compare them - there is nothing similar/close to it.
intel is using very different process - again out of luck here.

BD octo die is slightly smaller than thuban hexa
That's right. I forgot about they both use different processes. I know its smaller than thuban but was wondering by how much. In either case, it should still be in the same price range.
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That's right. I forgot about they both use different processes. I know its smaller than thuban but was wondering by how much. In either case, it should still be in the same price range.
there are too many unknown (some of them are new) variables, hard to tell about prices

best thing would be, if prices stay close(same) to today amd cpu models ..

I hope basic 16core variant will have same price like current 6168-Opteron
    
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All this Bulldozer talk and useless information is causing my OLD CPU brain damage!
    
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... it should still be in the same price range.
That's only part of what the price reflects.

Sure you need to buy materials and process/manufacture them but you also have to consider other "value adding" activities. You need to pay for APS (Advanced Producer Services) for example, Legal, Marketing, Accounting, Engineering. All those are producer services that turn the tacit and learned knowledge into a product or at least "add value" to the product (not directly, but for example a Marketing team would promote the CPU's to server companies and computer shops and you need to make returns to pay your marketing team somehow or the obvious example of an Engineering team taking tacit and learned knowledge (from their post secondary educations) and turning that into a product, again you need to pay your engineers somehow and they obviously "add value" to the product by making it in the first place).

That said, I would pay $250-275 for an octa core BD at launch (that is, depending on the benchmarks and if it's as good as it's purported as being).
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