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post #231 of 262
Hey peeps, I see this thread is in need of reviving lol. So heres my situation, I recently did the lga775 Xeon mod for my 750i FTW. As you can see I'm using the Xeon x5470 which is the top tier Harpertown processor Intel made...in short it overclocks like a bull in a china shop. I have it contained with a stock H70 push pull config. Long story short, it just isn't getting the job done. Right now I have it OC'ed to 4.25Ghz on 1.32v and my temps are as follows.

By the way my last mounting of the H70 I used a hair too much AC MX-4 so I'm giving my previous temps as that is something I can easily fix.

Idle: 42-44C

Load: under 60C al cores

Now I know what your thinking...yea these temps aren't bad at all. Realistically I would like to be mid 30's idle and 55C tops on full load. The H70 is actually my first H-20 system of any kind so I have limited experience. From the research I've done my goal is to get rid of the factory tubing without sacrificing reliability and functionality. I also plan to ditch the old 120mm rad for a 240mm rad (xs-pc ex240) and from there add in a resevoir. Finally, I plan to lap both the Xeon and the cold plate of the H70 to a near mirror finish. My common sense tells me the best time to do that would be while everything else is disassembled.

Now that I've put my big plan out there...is there any advice I can get from you guys?

1. What size tubing I need (I will dig through this thread...ATM tired and lazy)

2. What type of fluid can I use? Will I be limited to a specific kind? (planned on using Feser One)

3. Any tips on what NOT to do?

Let me know what you guys think...if I'm shooting too high please feel free to chime in as I take no offense to learning from others' mistakes. Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
post #232 of 262
Thread Starter 
from what you write i can only tell that your temps are good.. you do not need
a mod except it is just some plastic surgery to make it look different.

1. the tubing is 10mm on the out side and 8mm on the inside
2 .any watercooling mix or destilled water with killcoil
3. i wouldnt think about adding a GPU block to the loop, this would need more radiators and
a stronger pump.. also do not just start modding if you really dont need it, and if you do
browse the web / this thread for more mods and try to have a exact blueprint before
disassambling the cooler. also be aware that you loose your warranty biggrin.gif
post #233 of 262
I was so very close to going full-on water cooling myself - even bought the pump! kc0X8t Had a re-evaluation of finances on my graduate student budget alongside my already decent enough temps with what I have and decided against it. I see the performance improvement and I completely understand the appeal - but decided I might just grab an H100 when the opportunity presents itself instead. With the cooler SB chips and the upcoming IB chips, I can't imagine anything more than an H100 ever being necessary.
post #234 of 262
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Originally Posted by mesasf View Post

I was so very close to going full-on water cooling myself - even bought the pump! kc0X8t Had a re-evaluation of finances on my graduate student budget alongside my already decent enough temps with what I have and decided against it. I see the performance improvement and I completely understand the appeal - but decided I might just grab an H100 when the opportunity presents itself instead. With the cooler SB chips and the upcoming IB chips, I can't imagine anything more than an H100 ever being necessary.

yep.. the 240 radiator of the h100 makes the difference compared to the smaller version.
the only thing you might want / have to do is to delid the chip ( if it is ivy or haswell )
because intel uses a bad thermal paste and replacing this paste will give you a gain of
up to 15°C @ load!

there are several methods like with hammer&vice or with a razor blade.. but you must be very
cautious not to damage the chip ..

http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8kUxL65BE
Edited by smex - 12/17/13 at 3:39pm
post #235 of 262
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from what you write i can only tell that your temps are good.. you do not need
a mod except it is just some plastic surgery to make it look different.

1. the tubing is 10mm on the out side and 8mm on the inside
2 .any watercooling mix or destilled water with killcoil
3. i wouldnt think about adding a GPU block to the loop, this would need more radiators and
a stronger pump.. also do not just start modding if you really dont need it, and if you do
browse the web / this thread for more mods and try to have a exact blueprint before
disassambling the cooler. also be aware that you loose your warranty biggrin.gif


I plan to overclock this chip higher. It will do 4.4ghz on 1.4v but my 750i FTW throws in the towel at this speed (440FSB). With these settings my temps jump to almost 70C. I plan on getting a better board to get higher OC speeds but I will need better cooling.

Also, what is killcoil? I've never heard of that. Another big reason for modifying my H70 is for accessibility reasons. I can't stand it being mounted at the rear of my 600T. Being that it is a wide 120mmrad...it just creates alot of headaches, that and it's flexibility is next to nothing without kinking

That being said...I will not be adding a GPU to this configuration. I will also not be adding a seperate cpu block. I want to keep it as simple and streamlined as possible. Thanks
post #236 of 262
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your browser got a search function tongue.gif ;D

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/276572-29-ptnuke-kill-coil

why do you want to OC it even higher`? also IMO i woulnt run it higher than 1.4v.. to be honest id try to stay under that.
theres no point because your GPUs are holding you back.. sell them and get one R9 290. you will almost double your GPU power.

..to your CPU.. you got 12Mb cache! thats massive and 4.2 or 4.4 wont make any big difference.. the GPU will!
Edited by smex - 12/17/13 at 3:40pm
post #237 of 262
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your browser got a search function tongue.gif ;D

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/276572-29-ptnuke-kill-coil

why do you want to OC it even higher`? also IMO i woulnt run it higher than 1.4v.. to be honest id try to stay under that.
theres no point because your GPUs are holding you back.. sell them and get one R9 290. you will almost double your GPU power.

..to your CPU.. you got 12Mb cache! thats massive and 4.2 or 4.4 wont make any big difference.. the GPU will!

You would be surprised...my 460's can still put em up. Also I only use SF'less browser smile.gif

Anywho, it's still something I will more than likely follow through with unless i can find a cheap H100. The 12mb cache is really nice, even stock it runs over any X4 Phenom 2. I've been trying to find a good deal on a pair of gtx 650 ti boost cards, or even a pair of 660 ti's.

Regardless of which path I choose...the processor and cold plate are getting lapped...this much i KNOW lol.
post #238 of 262
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did a bit of research
is it this one?
http://ark.intel.com/de/products/35430/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5470-12M-Cache-3_33-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB
i thought it was newer.. but it still a very good cpu. i think one 660ti / 7950 will be fine with it.

due the old architecture it will bneck.. i have a qx9650 from a room mate and it is choking a little bit.

in your case your vram is holding you back too.. IMO any 2nd hand 7950 will be enough and set
you satisfied.
post #239 of 262
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did a bit of research
is it this one?
http://ark.intel.com/de/products/35430/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5470-12M-Cache-3_33-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB
i thought it was newer.. but it still a very good cpu. i think one 660ti / 7950 will be fine with it.

due the old architecture it will bneck.. i have a qx9650 from a room mate and it is choking a little bit.

in your case your vram is holding you back too.. IMO any 2nd hand 7950 will be enough and set
you satisfied.

This was my reason for leaning more towards the 650 ti boost setup as it would be less bottleneck. The only games to challenge my system thus far have been Crysis 2 and The Witcher 2 with both games starving for more GPU horsepower...however still playable on max.

On another note some websites have listed the corsair H110 as supporting S775. Anyone know anything about this? Would my H70 backplate mate up with the H110? They look awefully similar in design.

BTW, my SF did not yield anything useful lol.


Edit: yes that is the correct processor. It's the Q9650's S771 bigger brother...10x multi FTW
Edited by davtylica - 12/17/13 at 7:25pm
post #240 of 262
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Originally Posted by smex View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by mesasf View Post

I was so very close to going full-on water cooling myself - even bought the pump! kc0X8t Had a re-evaluation of finances on my graduate student budget alongside my already decent enough temps with what I have and decided against it. I see the performance improvement and I completely understand the appeal - but decided I might just grab an H100 when the opportunity presents itself instead. With the cooler SB chips and the upcoming IB chips, I can't imagine anything more than an H100 ever being necessary.

yep.. the 240 radiator of the h100 makes the difference compared to the smaller version.
the only thing you might want / have to do is to delid the chip ( if it is ivy or haswell )
because intel uses a bad thermal paste and replacing this paste will give you a gain of
up to 15°C @ load!

there are several methods like with hammer&vice or with a razor blade.. but you must be very
cautious not to damage the chip ..

http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8kUxL65BE

The thermal paste intel uses is actually pretty good, that's not the problem. The issue is that the black glue they use creates a big gap from the IHS to die. Delids done where they kept the stock paste still got the same results as anyone else who uses a ceramique paste. Arguably no one has messed up a delid when they used the correct razor blade, and no one has with the hammer delid as long as they didn't knock their cpu across the room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbqzGH9Uwbs

Average temp gain with CLU is 20-30C though, about 5-15 with a conventional ceramique.
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Anywho, it's still something I will more than likely follow through with unless i can find a cheap H100. The 12mb cache is really nice, even stock it runs over any X4 Phenom 2. I've been trying to find a good deal on a pair of gtx 650 ti boost cards, or even a pair of 660 ti's.

You can find H100s for $40-50 regularly on sale/refurb/ebay. I'd recommend against it though since it's a gen1 asetek, I'd recommend you get a gen2 asetek at least, like a thermaltake 240 or CM240m go for $40-60 regularly (thermaltake is sometimes $5 at microcenter lol).
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Regardless of which path I choose...the processor and cold plate are getting lapped...this much i KNOW lol.

Lapping is no longer recommendable, as it was back in the day of the TRUE-120 where heatsink bases were awfully uneven and rough. Nowadays they are machined to be concaved(convex?) and to have grooves for thermal pastes, you really shouldn't lap it. You're more likely to get a temp gain nowadays with a lap then a temp drop. Really, don't do it, invest in a better TIM instead.
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in your case your vram is holding you back too.. IMO any 2nd hand 7950 will be enough and set
you satisfied.

VRAM isn't really a big deal, since it just goes over to your regular RAM, whereas memory spillover from RAM goes to the SSD/HDD which is significantly slower. If your RAM is good quality/overclocked, it may even be faster than your VRAM (though not as efficient at large figures still). VRAM will never really 'hold you back', you dont even see a performance drop until about 500-600VRAM short. A much faster card with too little VRAM is always better then a slower one with more VRAM.
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