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Originally Posted by sccr64472
The only problem with "feeling" is that it is based on perception and perception can be misleading.
Benchmarks can also be misleading. This is why any/all data regarding hardware should be taken into consideration and not discounted or belittled. To do so will maintain ignorance for if the data is taken into consideration it can then be discounted when found to be irrelevant or counted when found to be relevant. If one immediately discounts it prior to consideration they are not factoring in all relevant data. If many sources find the "Feel" to be conclusive it becomes more relevant and if they do not then less relevant, just as if you were to find many benchmarks showing an event conclusively from different sites you would be able to mark the possibility as a greater likelihood.

I purchased my dual core as I did not like the stagger that I found with single core AMD's when multi-tasking/task-switching. With gaming I have not experienced that stagger. When I moved to dual core AMD I found that the stagger was lessened to a point where I did not notice it nearly as much. Gaming was just as good as the single core although I was able to overclock higher with the single core. This being the case that there was an increase lost through the dual core purchase but with the video cards I use I found this negligible at any rate.

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i dont really care whether it benefits at gaming or not. i bought my Dual Core mainly for multitasking!!!!.
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Which is what its designed for hanwinting. I'm not bashing the technology, only the uses the uninformed put it to.
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post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by sccr64472
The only problem with "feeling" is that it is based on perception and perception can be misleading. Why do you think they use placebos when testing perception? The funniest example I've read regarding this was people given non alcoholic beer and stating that they were beginning to feel "buzzed."

Anyways, it was interesting to see that dual cores "staggered". I haven't heard a dual core owner on this forum ever comment on this. Perhaps it was a BIOS issue? Anyone else witness "staggering" in games with dual core? Hopefully, future drivers or BIOS releases will fix this.
Yes, I have. I have an Opteron 170, coming from a 3000+ Venice, and I tell you what, for games, the Venice honestly was much smoother. There does seem to be a stupid stuttering when using a dual core vs. a single core - even if you lock the affinities and disable threading in nvidia's video drivers. I've got this Opteron clocked even higher than my Venice was - and the venice was still smoother for games.

One interesting parody to note - the video drivers impact this heavily. I have believed it to be the video drivers since day one, and my recent update of my beta x64 driver yesterday seems to confirm this. Once I updated to the 84.21-x64 driver (from 83.91-x64), that stuttering decreased significantly (though it still does it now and then). I also noticed that some games (ahem - Battlefield 2) stutter horribly when you move to dual core. I have not gotten the chance to try BF2 on this new driver yet, however - but I can tell you this; it's a very poorly coded engine compared to HL2. I personally can't wait for them to multithread Source
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Yes, I have. I have an Opteron 170, coming from a 3000+ Venice, and I tell you what, for games, the Venice honestly was much smoother. There does seem to be a stupid stuttering when using a dual core vs. a single core - even if you lock the affinities and disable threading in nvidia's video drivers. I've got this Opteron clocked even higher than my Venice was - and the venice was still smoother for games.

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I'd be interested to see if any professional gamers use dual core then. A single stutter could cost them 100 grand if it happened at the wrong time. Hopefully, this issue will get more exposure and force quicker action to fix it. The gaming population is a nice cash cow for computer manufacturers because they tend to buy the leading edge, but won't feel obligated to buy dual core if it's actually a step down for gaming.
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post #26 of 41
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Originally Posted by masterofthepuppets99
i dont care what you guys think, i know that dual core is the way to go, in a year it will probably be like amost standard and then games will take advantage of it. like quake 4 uses dual core and the new unreal engine uses dual core and it looks sweet
I'm with him, dual core will become the way of the future. I have done extensive research on this subject. Everything is going the dual core route. So if you have a choice of the two, get the dual core setup.
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Yes, I have. I have an Opteron 170, coming from a 3000+ Venice, and I tell you what, for games, the Venice honestly was much smoother. There does seem to be a stupid stuttering when using a dual core vs. a single core - even if you lock the affinities and disable threading in nvidia's video drivers. I've got this Opteron clocked even higher than my Venice was - and the venice was still smoother for games.

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i'm interested in this stuttering in BF2 that you mentioned. i notice no such things, but then again i'm still using 81.98 WHQL drivers. have you applied the AMD and MS dual core patch?

i've never had to switch affinity to one core in BF2, nor do i know anyone that has mentioned stuttering gaming on a patched DC in BF2.
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i'm interested in this stuttering in BF2 that you mentioned. i notice no such things, but then again i'm still using 81.98 WHQL drivers. have you applied the AMD and MS dual core patch?

i've never had to switch affinity to one core in BF2, nor do i know anyone that has mentioned stuttering gaming on a patched DC in BF2.
I should clarify for BF2 - the stuttering isn't so much a stop, but a massive frame drop - it happens mostly in Operation Clean Sweep, over by Small Airstrip. I have never found a cure for it. In fact, I've noticed a fairly bad overall frame rate drop since going DC . BTW, the 81.98WHQL drivers are crap - drops frames left and right. I've tried this on 32-bit AND 64-bit Windows (I'm dual-booting). It seems for 64-bit the only decent driver out there for DC is the newest beta (out on the 22nd - 84.21). You can find them at 3dchipset. I haven't tried many of the 32-bit flavors (troubleshooting in one Windows version is time consuming enough).

You don't need either of those patches on 64-bit Windows, and on the 32-bit install, both have been applied.
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i've never used a dual boot setup, so i can't say from experience. i have, however, played that map before on my current setup and haven't experienced and sudden drop in frames using 81.98.

then again, i'm also not using x64 version of windows so i can only speak from my experience.

if you find a fix, let us know.
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i've never used a dual boot setup, so i can't say from experience. i have, however, played that map before on my current setup and haven't experienced and sudden drop in frames using 81.98.

then again, i'm also not using x64 version of windows so i can only speak from my experience.

if you find a fix, let us know.
Will do. I'm hopefully going to fire up BF2 in about a half hour, so I'll try to jump on and post the results when I'm done.
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