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Some people have no understanding of what a paint job like this can be worth in 100 years for antiquities value. They think in the short term, are the antithesis of old money wealth and are just not able to make that transition between value and price. It is also why they are where they are and the old money wealthy are they are. They are born into a different valuation and thinking and are taught this value driven method of accumulation for long-term outlooks.
My partner and her family are all “old money” and none of them would spend $10,000 USD on this computer. The key to old money thinking is not spending your money until you really have to and then only spending it where the purchase made represents a long-term investment. Paint job, or “art” aside, this computer does not represent a good long-term investment. Even with the “art” on the case, it will not tempt your stereotypical “old money” individual to make the purchase. The only wealthy people who will buy this PC will be new money people, the sort who won the lottery or had some other kind of large, rapid, financial windfall.

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This is not 5K for a "Paint Job". You see "Paint Job" I see "Paint Job" and others see "Art". As I said, this non-understanding that you have is the reason why there is a difference between those who understand the equation of value and price.
Obviously, the question about what constitutes art is a difficult, subjective and philosophical one and not worth exploring in this thread. However, with relation to this particular computer, I would suggest that, the corporate process behind the creation of this “artwork” leaves it somewhat cheapened, in the same way that manufactured pop groups seem somewhat mechanical, generic and deliberately formulaic. You can guarantee there has been a lot of corporate influence upon the final “artwork” for this case and that it, like manufactured pop groups, has been deliberately formulated to be the most commercially viable. I seriously question the long-term monetary value this “artwork” represents, considering it’s corporately formulaic influences.

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The proof is the purchasing of such products by people who have different values than those who would bypass them in seconds.
Value systems, regardless of disparity, generally tend to be geared to best serve the individual. Very few people have value systems which will consistently result in poor outcomes for them. I would have thought it were far more likely that general ignorance would be the impetus for anybody’s decision to buy this computer. If properly educated and informed, most people would realise that this computer does not represent good value for money both in the short, medium and long term.

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It's too bad you can not move to understand that others do not wish to learn the technology of "YOUR" hobby.
There is no need to learn any technology to come to the conclusion that $10,000 does not represent value for money for the computer in question. It would be better value for money to commission a company or individual to build an equivalent system and then commission case “artwork” too. No need to learn any new hobbies, just look at the bottom line figures and see which is smaller… As already mentioned, there are other computer companies on the web that offer a comparable system for around 45% less; even with the cost of "artwork" on top of this, you will still save money.

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Alas, so many people with so little understanding of the vagaries in humanity.
I bet you’re a hoot at parties.

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My partner and her family are all “old money†and none of them would spend $10,000 USD on this computer. The key to old money thinking is not spending your money until you really have to and then only spending it where the purchase made represents a long-term investment. Paint job, or “art†aside, this computer does not represent a good long-term investment. Even with the “art†on the case, it will not tempt your stereotypical “old money†individual to make the purchase. The only wealthy people who will buy this PC will be new money people, the sort who won the lottery or had some other kind of large, rapid, financial windfall.

Obviously, the question about what constitutes art is a difficult, subjective and philosophical one and not worth exploring in this thread. However, with relation to this particular computer, I would suggest that, the corporate process behind the creation of this “artwork†leaves it somewhat cheapened, in the same way that manufactured pop groups seem somewhat mechanical, generic and deliberately formulaic. You can guarantee there has been a lot of corporate influence upon the final “artwork†for this case and that it, like manufactured pop groups, has been deliberately formulated to be the most commercially viable. I seriously question the long-term monetary value this “artwork†represents, considering it’s corporately formulaic influences.

Value systems, regardless of disparity, generally tend to be geared to best serve the individual. Very few people have value systems which will consistently result in poor outcomes for them. I would have thought it were far more likely that general ignorance would be the impetus for anybody’s decision to buy this computer. If properly educated and informed, most people would realise that this computer does not represent good value for money both in the short, medium and long term.

There is no need to learn any technology to come to the conclusion that $10,000 does not represent value for money for the computer in question. It would be better value for money to commission a company or individual to build an equivalent system and then commission case “artwork†too. No need to learn any new hobbies, just look at a bottom line figures and see which is smaller… As already mentioned, there are other computer companies on the web that offer a comparable system for around 45% less; even with the cost of "artwork" on top of this, you will still save money.

I bet you’re a hoot at parties.

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post #53 of 93
Man, this thread is almost worse than an AMD v Intel flamewar.

ssshhheeessshhhhhh


Point: Someone posted that he could build the system for $5500 without the monitor. But the monitor comes with it, and so now we're at about $7500-8000. Add in the cutom paint (art appriciation aside, you go to an auto shop and ask them to do that and you're talking minimum of $500, maybe $1000).......

Point: You can always build something yourself cheaper than you can buy it assembled. This is not a "savings", it is merely you using your own time. Your time has a worth, maybe you only make $15 an hour.....maybe the person buying this makes $400 an hour. So for you, spending 2-3 hours setting up a system is no big deal. Whereas for them, that's $800-1200 dollars, and so now it's actually a bargin.


Point: Bashing it just because it says "DELL" on it is.......well, inappropriate is the most correct way to say it. The $300 Dell using low quality, propitary componants is one thing. I don't see how you can make the case that this Dell has low quality componants. Everything in it is top of line.


As Ropey mentioned, judging someone else based on what YOU would want is just a fallacy comparison. Heck, I personally find anyone that would spend $500 on a video card to be silly, or worse, $1200 on a SLI set up, yet people here do that on a regular basis. I don't find fault with them, that is something that they have determined they need for their own life, and that is fine for them.
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I went to newegg and buuilt a just as good or better computer for just less than $5000 (including that physics processor (4,638.46 with teh physics thing) (i didnt buy it i just put them in shopping cart)). There was: a thermaltake armor series case, 2 WD 74 GB raptors that you could put in Raid 0, SAMSUNG 244t-Silver 24" 6ms LCD Monitor, 2 EvGa 7900GTX 512 mb in SLi (dont know if they would fit though), Soundblaster Xi-Fi Platinum, Sunbeam Nuuo 550watt, thermaltake big typhoon, G.Skill 2gb F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ RAM, one of those physics things (dont know exact proce but i heard around 200-300), and finally a fx-60 that u can overclock. If i missed anything it was by laziness and juts notify and i cna put that in.
You missed:
using the new larger Raptors instead of the 74GB
a 6" larger LCD monitor
Quad SLI 7900GTX's instead of 2 7900GTX's

OK, I went to Newegg and put together just about the exact computer looking at the detailed list at the Renegade website, and from the parts that are available it cost:

$3501.76 (Parts available at Newegg)+$2079.96 (Quad 7900GTX ($519.99 x 4))+$194 (G.Skill DDR2 667 Ram 2 x 1GB)+PhysX Card (say $250)+$2199 (30" Dell LCD Monitor, price from Dell) =
$8224.72

That's basically how much it would cost to put together the exact same computer minus the custom paint.

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You missed:
using the new larger Raptors instead of the 74GB
a 6" larger LCD monitor
Quad SLI 7900GTX's instead of 2 7900GTX's

OK, I went to Newegg and put together just about the exact computer looking at the detailed list at the Renegade website, and from the parts that are available it cost:

$3501.76 (Parts available at Newegg)+$2079.96 (Quad 7900GTX ($519.99 x 4))+$194 (G.Skill DDR2 667 Ram 2 x 1GB)+PhysX Card (say $250)+$2199 (30" Dell LCD Monitor, price from Dell) =
$8224.72

That's basically how much it would cost to put together the exact same computer minus the custom paint.
Nice bit of research. Good Job.

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Good luck buying a Physx processor, not even out. You cant say your building the same computer for 5k.

And by the way, I do get my RMA'd parts back from dell in 1-2 business days. I have done it with my Graphics card and ram.
    
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lol to build one like that isnt cheap...
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Wow, this certainly has flushed out quite the debate hasn't it. Hmmm...I say let them eat cake if that 's what they want. What does that mean? If they have it and want it so be it. It is a good rig, no debating the merrits of the hardware. Personally I look at it and see a car analogy. It's like having a supercar while you live in the heart of a major metropolitain area like Chicago or New York. What are you going to do with it??? By the time software has evolved to the point that you need all that power the available hardware will be completely different. My opinion on the SLI option (for the time being anyway) is that it is a "catch up" technology. What I mean by that is you go out and buy the top of the line video card. That one card will run all your games at top settings. A year or two later the tech has evolved, the software has become more demanding and now for half the price of the original investment you can "catch up" to the new stuff (minus the new features admittedly) by adding a second card. For me, I would never go SLI out of the box especially since 2 lesser cards will typically be the price of the current king. Those who have the means and it is a priority to go for it, they have my blessings. For me, as long as my FPS stays high enough so that I don't get killed waiting to see what is doing the killing, I am all good.

The paint job...well, I do collect art, real art...Miro, Dali, Nechita, you get the idea. Unless that work is done by a well known artist then it is really value-less. You might as well just make the physical case different and call it a limited edition (which I am guessing they are). The long term "investment" value without a well known name attached is $0. That does not mean that the emotional value is $0...we all like the idea of having something unique or special. Some may love it and use that paint job as the final justification for the price...just not me. I would do like others have said, send it to Leonardo Nierman and commission him to paint it (yeah, I have his stuff too). He did a Harley once...swore he would never do it again. (Yes, he said that to me...very nice guy actually). He said the curves made it very difficult to do and that it was probably the single hardest piece he ever did. Enough of that...

If you got $9000-10000 and like it, great, enjoy. I won't envy that you have it, but I might envy the fact that you had $10k to blow. I just believe there are better ways to get a really fast computer.
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YEA, But DELL bought Alienware.

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Why would anyone spend this much on netburst junk when conroe is just around the corner?
     
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