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Right now, there 11 teams using the hex+quad option. It's pretty much an even split.

And as of right now, no-one's come up with a better option to my "1x hex/2600k + 1 Bloomfield per team" option.

Can't make it 2x hex/2600k; Bloomfields are useless then.
Can't move Bloomfield to X6/2500k; a lot more disruption to the teams (not only would we need to replace 11 Folders, we have no place for them, since most teams have filled the 2500k/X6 slot).

So, if a change does need to be made, my option is the one that makes the most sense.

At the moment, there is at least one captain who is saying we're wrong. And he states that hex's are capable of outdoing the 2600ks. I've already spoken to him, and he'll post here with more proof, but for others: while that might be the case, does the hex outperform the 2600k by the same amounr as the 2600k outperforms the Bloomfields?

If not, this change is necessary, and all that needs to be decided is how to make it fair.
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Does my opinion matter here?
I'll post anyways.
I do think the hex's are capable of outperforming the 2600k's at the same clocks MORE than the 2600k's out perform a Bloomie at the same clock (say all at 4.5).
That being said, I've not seen many Bloomfield folders, and 2600k folders are getting more and more common.
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Really? 2600ks can get up to 80k... and Digi's got a Bloomfield getting 50k... you saying hex's will hit 110k?

You've also got to factor in how much harder it is for a Bloomfield to reach an OC high enough to do -hugeadv... if it requires WC and is a kinda hard OC it reach, is it fair to compare it with a 2600k that can reach decent PPD on air?
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Really? 2600ks can get up to 80k... and Digi's got a Bloomfield getting 50k... you saying hex's will hit 110k?

You've also got to factor in how much harder it is for a Bloomfield to reach an OC high enough to do -hugeadv... if it requires WC and is a kinda hard OC it reach, is it fair to compare it with a 2600k that can reach decent PPD on air?
You're looking at hugeadv? Crispy's 2600k @ 4.6 gets 57k on a 2600k P6903. Not sure where that 80K was pulled from. Regardless of what decision is made, I'm disappointed with the TC... not to say hugeadv should be disallowed, but there's no point to it when a 6903/4 decides the month's winner. It's all about timing now rather than consistency. A team can be down a Fermi folder for the whole month and make up for that with TWO WUs.
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Other people are getting 80k+. You can't just look at someone on your own team.

As for -hugeadv being disallowed, goes against the idea of the TC. A contest for the elite Folders to push their hardware further than normal. Not allowing that would be lower PPD. You think as many people would be doing -hugeadv on X6s/2500ks if the TC wasn't here?
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Other people are getting 80k+. You can't just look at someone on your own team.

As for -hugeadv being disallowed, goes against the idea of the TC. A contest for the elite Folders to push their hardware further than normal. Not allowing that would be lower PPD. You think as many people would be doing -hugeadv on X6s/2500ks if the TC wasn't here?
That 80k+ PPD is native linux. As previous happenings proved every folder is able to use native linux if he wants and is dedicated. Both 2600K and hexa can get 88k PPD with a 6904 on NATIVE linux, so its a fair comparison. a quad however can never pull that amount of PPD and is thus not compareable to a 2600k.

You know my vote.
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Like I said I don't like the idea of disallowing it either, and I agree the TC boosts points, but it's not much of a competition any more, more like good luck with getting hugeadvs. Fermi folders don't have much of a motivation in the TC; unlike AMD'ers (most are newbies who enjoy the community or the 'newness' of folding) and Cat2'ers (the parts' power draw can be much better / PPD), a Fermi draws a LOT of power and plays a very small role in the TC, and I can tell you I sure as hell am not staying a Fermi folder forever (will go bigadv). I repeat - hugeadv has COMPLETELY altered the TC and it might as well be a Bloomfield/Hexacore/2600k competition... the point I'm trying to make is above a certain amount of points there's no incentive for Cat2, AMD, and Fermi folders: say 400K a month from Fermi, 275K from Cat, and 125K from AMD is enough and any team that gets a total amount of 800K from those three categories (even 700 would suffice) can still win the TC with a couple of 6903's. There's no reason for me to clock my card to compete with another Fermi folder other than e-peen. Same goes for Cat2 and AMD.
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Which is why we're making a change, no?
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Like I said I don't like the idea of disallowing it either, and I agree the TC boosts points, but it's not much of a competition any more, more like good luck with getting hugeadvs. Fermi folders don't have much of a motivation in the TC; unlike AMD'ers (most are newbies who enjoy the community or the 'newness' of folding) and Cat2'ers (the parts' power draw can be much better / PPD), a Fermi draws a LOT of power and plays a very small role in the TC, and I can tell you I sure as hell am not staying a Fermi folder forever (will go bigadv). I repeat - hugeadv has COMPLETELY altered the TC and it might as well be a Bloomfield/Hexacore/2600k competition... the point I'm trying to make is above a certain amount of points there's no incentive for Cat2, AMD, and Fermi folders: say 400K a month from Fermi, 275K from Cat, and 125K from AMD is enough and any team that gets a total amount of 800K from those three categories (even 700 would suffice) can still win the TC with a couple of 6903's. There's no reason for me to clock my card to compete with another Fermi folder other than e-peen. Same goes for Cat2 and AMD.
Well, captains need to chime in on this front. If they feel it's unfair, we can disallow it.
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