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Before the core hack it was pretty even competition with 2 x 2600k's vs Hex and i7 920. The problem started with all the core hacking in TC.
This.

But, the $30 cooler will not cut it for 4.8 folding in linux... If we're talking about taking it easy in Windows, I agree...

I've got a h50 in p/p on my TC rig, and it's at 4.7 touching 80* at the top end... and seriously? I don't care. It's for the TC. If it burns, well, I guess I did that wrong newegg here I come.

And, again, this is a computing competition using computer equipment that is obsolete almost as soon as you can power it up for the first time. Bloomfield chips came out in 2009 for gosh sakes. If you expect them to be competitive, you're gonna have to push them.
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We can come back to the debate about whether older hardware needs to be pushed more later on; we need to see what is realistically possible for Bloomfield, and how we deal with the PPD difference between the two setups (which will be somewhere between 10-15k PPD it seems).
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What about the fact that I could get 2684's all month, and a bloomer get all 6903's? Where's the max ppd numbers now?

Luck of the draw, although I have been getting 6903's for the last 3 or 4 now...

But anyways... isn't that what makes the TC fun? The chance part? You've OC'd your rig to hell and it's gonna dominate... then you get a unit worth a lot less, or you fail a unit... makes things interesting.
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We can come back to the debate about whether older hardware needs to be pushed more later on; we need to see what is realistically possible for Bloomfield, and how we deal with the PPD difference between the two setups (which will be somewhere between 10-15k PPD it seems).
Realistically you can expect 35k - 40k on bigadv (with 4.3ghz overclock) depending if your are on native or vm. Expect less if your are on windows client.

Pushing a bigbigadv on this chip although can be done, should not be a realistic standard as first you would need a super nice chip and even then the line to losing the points on it is super close as well as the chip needs to be oced into the ground IMO.

These chips should be measured not by the absolute bleeding edge and I stress bleeding edge of production but by what they can consistently and realistically be gained by most people. If a person chooses to go crazy and gain the extra 9k by ocing highly and running the thin line with the inflated bigbigadv points then they should be awarded those points, but again by no means should that be expected or the standard.
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If anyone wants to see numbers from a bloomfield, check my hfm link.

This is not a chip being pushed. It is in windows, running regular bigadv, clocked at 3.9ghz with 6gb of ddr3-1600 ram. It is my daily computer, gets used for all MS Office, browser, stats programs, etc. It folds gpu units on a GTX460 during events. The whole setup makes heat at an alarming rate even without gpu folding.

My guess is that's a usual setup for the bloomer folder in the TC. Probably not willing to set them up as a dedicated rig. But, the TC is a choice; so too is being competitive.
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What about the fact that I could get 2684's all month, and a bloomer get all 6903's? Where's the max ppd numbers now?

Luck of the draw, although I have been getting 6903's for the last 3 or 4 now...
That doesn't bother me; we need to use a standard and if we're going by what the hexs are capable of as 104k, then we should apply the same throughout.

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These chips should be measured not by the absolute bleeding edge of production but by what they can consistently and realistically be gained by most people. If a person chooses to go crazy and gain the extra 9k by ocing highly and running the thin line with the inflated bigbigadv points then they should be awarded those points, but again by no means should that be expected or the standard.
I would agree with this, but have yet to see proof that people are trying this. Are any of the Bloom Folders in the TC on native Linux, with a good air cooler/under water, with no GPUs? Because that should be the standard for the TC, if we want it to be a fully competitive competition.

Beyond that, it's up to each individual Folder whether they decide not to do some of those things.
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For reference the setup in my HFM (in Sig) shows a few diff setups.

Apros i7 920 @ 4.3ghz SMP7 In an VM- It also runs 2 gts450s, 29k ppd on avg.

Pankos i7 920 @ 4.3 SMP8 In an VM - 32-35k ppd on avg.

Sabertooth Xeon @ 4.1 SMP8 Windows Client - 29k ppd on avg.
The sabertooth will be setup soon with native and core hack to see what would be possible.
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I'll direct NLM over, but he's got a 920 running under water in Linux at 4.1Ghz, and he is VERY consistent (check his EOC stats) at around 32-33k ppd. Right now he's got a 2684 and only 27k ppd (it's better but still a bad wu). He puts out a bigadv every 2 days for 64-66k pnts. His overall EOC stats say like 38k ppd, but that's because he has other folders as well.
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Is he trying to do -hugeadv? Has he got any GPUs Folding on the same rig? How's his RAM?
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