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post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by kingwilliam
I dropped the HTT to 240 and Prime ran for one hour, then stopped for the same error. Does this mean that I have a processor that "just doesn't overclock" as well as some others? I have noticed that some people have gotten the 3200 venice's to 2.7 and higher. Its not that big of a deal to me, but I was hoping for a stable 2.4ghz

I would also try setting the CPC to 2T. And try looping 30 runs of each 3DMark game test, and see if it crashes.
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post #12 of 21
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My advice to gamers who are overclocking is, worry more about whether a 3 hour loop of 3DMark/Other game benchmark/demo is crashing then if prime is crashing.
Even for gamers I wonder. My advice for anyone who takes your advice is that had better just be playing games and hopefully if they are avid gamers who play for five or six hours at a time (and yes, there are those out there) they do not crash and burn with data corruption. (Again, yes, it is possible and has been done)

Hopefully the person wishing to overclock for other reasons does not see your advice and take it for his work.

Now if this advice was taken by a person who wanted their system very fast so that they could render full motion video and 96bit audio with a 24 track multi-plexer.

He's taken your advice and tested with 3DMark/Other Game Benchmarks/Demos and now is in the process of rendering to DVD work that he has been compiling for weeks and now is in the final process of transcription.

Five hours into the transcription the system fails, crashes and corrupts his original data.



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He's taken your advice and tested with 3DMark/Other Game Benchmarks/Demos and now is in the process of rendering to DVD work that he has been compiling for weeks and now is in the final process of transcription.

Five hours into the transcription the system fails, crashes and corrupts his original data.



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Oh, of course, you can create any number of situations that could be possible, but are highly unlikely. Just because Prime crashes, DOES NOT mean your system is unstable.

Your system could churn away at any number of benchmarks/stability testers, YET fail Prime. What does that actually tell you?

I say this from experience. I had a Mobile Barton 2500+ overclocked to 2475mhz. Every test I threw at it would pass without error or flaw, from Hot CPU Tester, to CPU Stability 5.0 by Jouni, to over 5 hours of 3DMark. Yet, it would never pass the first minute of Prime.

Frankly, if I fail a Prime run, I'm not going to worry about it. As long as my PC can stably perform the tasks that I except it to do, then why would I care if I fail a prime run?

My point is, Prime isn't the end all-be all of stability. People put way too much importance into the stability/performance of an obscure process that not many people will actually use other then testing stability of their system. Prime is a very specific, unique application. If all you do is use Prime to test stability, then you might be inline for a rude awakening.
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And by the way, I am not saying do use Prime to test stability, I'm just saying that if Prime fails, don't suddenly jump up and go "Oh noes! I need more voltage! Lower clock! It's unstable!!".

Test your current settings in the applications you are actually going to use. If you are going to do DVD/Divx/Xvid encoding, then runs some extensive tests. If you're going to only game on the system, then run some game tests. If all other tests pass, then I say forget about Prime's results.
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I say this from experience. I had a Mobile Barton 2500+ overclocked to 2475mhz. Every test I threw at it would pass without error or flaw, from Hot CPU Tester, to CPU Stability 5.0 by Jouni, to over 5 hours of 3DMark. Yet, it would never pass the first minute of Prime.
So because of your experience with one (1) machine you feel that it would apply to your giving your advice to anyone gaming?

OK...

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Frankly, if I fail a Prime run, I'm not going to worry about it. As long as my PC can stably perform the tasks that I except it to do, then why would I care if I fail a prime run?
And for you this is fine. However, you extend this to give advice to others to not to be concerned?

Again, OK....

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My point is, Prime isn't the end all-be all of stability. People put way too much importance into the stability/performance of an obscure process that not many people will actually use other then testing stability of their system. Prime is a very specific, unique application. If all you do is use Prime to test stability, then you might be inline for a rude awakening.
I am not saying that all I do is test for Prime stability. However that being said I do NOT discount it and I certainly do not advise others to discount it which is all that is in question here with regards to my posting.

If you wish to discount Prime95 since by your experience with a single machine and the applications that you choose to use that is fine but to extend that to advise others not to worry about failing this test is poor advice in my estimation.

I have nothing more to say on this. This is not an argument. You have your view I have mine and certainly kingwilliam now has both sides and can make an informed choice whether to be concerned or not.

By the way, you would do well to edit your posts and not double post as that is against the site rules.

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So because of your experience with one (1) machine you feel that it would apply to your giving your advice to anyone gaming?

OK...



And for you this is fine. However, you extend this to give advice to others to not to be concerned?

Again, OK....



I am not saying that all I do is test for Prime stability. However that being said I do NOT discount it and I certainly do not advise others to discount it which is all that is in question here with regards to my posting.
I am very confident in the advice I've posted. People should test the applications they except to be using. If they can pass those tests without errors/crashes/hardlocks, then what's the problem if Prime fails? None I see. If out of all the testing you do only Prime fails, I say move on and forget about it.
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Ok now that is sorted How is this overclock going, any updates?
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I dont have your exact chip, but its close enough for me to offer some advice. When I was doing my overclocks, I set the htt multi down to 4x for anything under 250. seeing as you're getting stuck around 240, I would reccommend more volts on your vcore. 1.55 volts would be a good place to start.

I would try putting your voltage on your ram at 2.8 if you can, and put your vcore up to even 1.65v (yes, 1.65) then go as far as you can until you find instability.

WATCH YOUR TEMPERATURES!! 1.7v +-.1v is where you need better than air cooling, so I would not reccommend it.

Also you might want to loosen ram timings to 3-4-4-8. Setting the ram to 2t is also good. as soon as you get over 250mhz fsb make sure to lower the htt multiplier to 3x.

If you hit another wall, try a bigger divider. My chip is a 3000+ venice, with a 9x multiplier, and right now its running at 2.7 stable. A good stability test is also folding@home. I tried that and it showed me instability faster than prime95 or long gaming sessions. good luck!
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The difference I noticed with my 3200 and the 3000 is that the 3200+ needed a lot more voltage for the same speeds. Not sure if the particular 3000 was a good overclocker and the 3200 was not but that was my finding. The 3200 needed around the 1.65 - 1.7 vcore for it to be stable on my DFI nf4 LP board @ over 2700mhz when the 3000 could do it around the 1.575 mark. For argument sake my 144 opty was OCCT stable at 2900mhz with about 1.6vcore. Just my findings on the lower end chips with the same board. I haven't tried a different bios version for the 3200 or the 3000+ but I know they can be picky when using the NF3 chipset.

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