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You have to understand that the key to Overclocking AMD's is strictly in RAM. DFI board's (as Melcar said) have good RAM tweaking.

I dont like my Asus board because it dosnt like UCCC chips and these G.Skill's I have work better with DFI board, from what has been said.

I wouldn't knock the board as much as the user and the components going into it.

Plus, .1 GHz is not noticeable, you should be spending some time upping that RAM if you're going to see any other improvements
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You have to understand that the key to Overclocking AMD's is strictly in RAM. DFI board's (as Melcar said) have good RAM tweaking.

I dont like my Asus board because it dosnt like UCCC chips and these G.Skill's I have work better with DFI board, from what has been said.

I wouldn't knock the board as much as the user and the components going into it.
ocz el p.e 2-3-2-5 well they r kinda good rams friendly with DFI.. also iam running them at a divider of 333mhz since i got bad chips. So i dont think my issue is the ram i think the issue is in the mobo..
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No not at all. I will be the first to admit that it takes weeks of tweaking, and trial and error with a DFI. you must play with all the memory settings, and the drive strengths. the settings that work on another Mobo wont give you the same results on a DFI.
If you cant get that chip back up to 3.0 on the DFI its purely because you havent found the right combination for the DFI.
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ocz el p.e 2-3-2-5 well they r kinda good rams friendly with DFI.. also iam running them at a divider of 333mhz since i got bad chips. So i dont think my issue is the ram i think the issue is in the mobo..
Well you're shooting yourself in the foot then. Also, that's kind of contradictory saying that "I have to run it @ 333MHz becasue I got bad chips" , yet saying it's not the RAM's fault, but the board itself.

It's like saying I put in shiity gas in my car but it's not the gas' fault, but my car for not taking the shiity gas
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almost all those features are available in other mobos.And this thread got nuttin to do with my cpu maxed out at 2.88 its the mobo that is limiting me since i got it to 2.96ghz then i shud be able to get it at least close to that.The mobo is limiting me
The Asus is a more user friendly board. The DFI is made for people who want to really tweak the system, and as such, can require a lot more work to reach the same level as other motherboards. Remember, you were probably quite familiar with the Asus bios, now you have a completely different one that will react differently to these settings. If you went from a DFI and dialled those settings into an Asus or an MSI you might find the same thing the other way around.

The DFI boards are bought by people who want all the extra options and are prepared to take the time to set it up properly. Fair enough not everybody wants to do all this. If that's the case I'd really advise using a different manufacturer. I'd say it took me a good couple of weeks to originally setup my overclock and get used to the board. When I tried an Expert I couldn't get my head around it as I was so used to the Ultra-D. Doesn't mean the Expert is rubbish though, just that the Ultra-D was a better board for me.
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No not at all. I will be the first to admit that it takes weeks of tweaking, and trial and error with a DFI. you must play with all the memory settings, and the drive strengths. the settings that work on another Mobo wont give you the same results on a DFI.
If you cant get that chip back up to 3.0 on the DFI its purely because you havent found the right combination for the DFI.

there no such thing, i have worked on it more than 1 week.. it got nuttin to do with tweaking ram or drive settings ( nuttin of wat i read in dfi-street.com guide).. timings r fine i mean my ram aint that bad for overclocking. Espacilly if u run them in divider of 333mhz.. also i followed the guid in DFI-STREET.COM and it explains of how u find the max of cpu first then ram etc... etc.. and again not all customers in world r a wise overclockers.It shudnt be that hard to overclock on "killer overclocker"

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Well you're shooting yourself in the foot then. Also, that's kind of contradictory saying that "I have to run it @ 333MHz becasue I got bad chips" , yet saying it's not the RAM's fault, but the board itself.

It's like saying I put in shiity gas in my car but it's not the gas' fault, but my car for not taking the shiity gas

****y dosnt mean always ****y, this is slang :/. I meant the chips r not that kinda of ocz el that can be overclocked up to 460mhz. Iam running them on an aggressive divider.So ram is not the cause.

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The Asus is a more user friendly board. The DFI is made for people who want to really tweak the system, and as such, can require a lot more work to reach the same level as other motherboards. Remember, you were probably quite familiar with the Asus bios, now you have a completely different one that will react differently to these settings. If you went from a DFI and dialled those settings into an Asus or an MSI you might find the same thing the other way around.

The DFI boards are bought by people who want all the extra options and are prepared to take the time to set it up properly. Fair enough not everybody wants to do all this. If that's the case I'd really advise using a different manufacturer. I'd say it took me a good couple of weeks to originally setup my overclock and get used to the board. When I tried an Expert I couldn't get my head around it as I was so used to the Ultra-D. Doesn't mean the Expert is rubbish though, just that the Ultra-D was a better board for me.
okay so u saying iam missing something? I.E. iam the cause of why iam not reaching what asus reached?
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Just keep the CPU speed the same and start moving the RAM speed up.

CPU calculations the only thing for overclocking and having a better performing computer. RAM speed is a factor as well. You will barely notice a difference between 2.8GHz and 3.0GHz, but you will see a gain if your RAM speed moves from DDR400 to like DDR460, or even up to DDR500 due to the amount of bandwith.

You should worry more now about your RAM speed and timings rather than the CPU speed and if you think you got a bad set RMA them and get a new set and it'll solve your problem

EDIT: I still think the issue is with the RAM in combo with the DFI, if you dont want to belive me then that's fine, but I couldn't get to 3.0GHZ cause of my RAM, but I got new ones that I could OC further and now I hit the mark. RAM is the biggest determining factor for a higher CPU clock, because if your RAM can't run a certain speed then you hit a wall, plain and simple
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put multi on 10 and run fsb at 300 and ram at 2/3 timming.
put vcore at 1.55 to 1.6 and chipset to 1.7 and ldt at 1.4
and hdd delay to 1 sec.
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ocz el p.e 2-3-2-5 well they r kinda good rams friendly with DFI.. also iam running them at a divider of 333mhz since i got bad chips. So i dont think my issue is the ram i think the issue is in the mobo..

tCL, tRCD, tRAS, tRP, and dividers aren't the only things that need tweaking, specially on a DFI board. What makes working with DFI motherboards so daunting are its many RAM options (one wrong entry could send your OC to hell). Most motherboards set their RAM settings to values that are sure to provide stability, and since you can't change them they may limit your OC. Most of these settings can be set by the user on DFI boards, increasing your chances of a higher OC (A64 chips are very RAM depedant). If you fail to properly set your RAM timmings it may in fact limit your OC and/or cause instability. I think that what is happening in your case. DFI boards are among the best and sometimes a pain to work with. If you get better results with other brands then good for you. No sense in bashing DFI.
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Tweak Tweak Tweak. Sounds like a bird.
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