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Can you take a picture without a flash? Maybe if it's too dark then use a flash light. I can't really make out anything because it's too washed out.
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That discolouring is normal for all skt a cpu's, that barton core has a 400mhz fsb but as for the clips I dont have a clue
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post #33 of 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishie36
Can you take a picture without a flash? Maybe if it's too dark then use a flash light. I can't really make out anything because it's too washed out.
OK...one sec.

I'm also thinking, maybe the RAM is bad? I kind of don't want to put in good RAM into some strange motherboard. I wish there was a place that'd look at this thing for free.
    
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post #34 of 55
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Ah ok. Everest says the socket is 478, so I dunno. Could be wrong, maybe there's an adaptor anyway?
If there was a Williamette made on the 478 socket it is news to me. Possible as I certainly don't know everything but I would have bet money there is no such thing. They would not have even had socket 478 in the release at the time of the 1.7GHz Williamette.

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Also, you can't see it but the clips on the side are broken off. How can you attach a heatsink without the clips?
The picture you show has the clip on the socket. You don't show the other side though. Is that where the clip is broken?

If so, you can purchase a heatsink/fan assembly that will assemble to those four silver holes that you can just pop out. You remove the motherboard and install one of those heatsink/fan assemblies. Post in the AMD section looking for one and what you need to do and someone with one is bound to tell you about it. Might even find one around here that is not in use.

You can always test ram in the board to see if it will work. Do NOT turn the computer on without a heatsink/fan assembly on that chip as they did not have a processor thermal diode built in so there is NO failsafe and turning it on without the heatsink/fan assembly will burn it out in seconds, if that is not allready done. Doesn't look like it is though. The core looks fine.

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post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ropey
If there was a Williamette made on the 478 socket it is news to me. Possible as I certainly don't know everything but I would have bet money there is no such thing. They would not have even had socket 478 in the release at the time of the 1.7GHz Williamette.



The picture you show has the clip on the socket. You don't show the other side though. Is that where the clip is broken?

If so, you can purchase a heatsink/fan assembly that will assemble to those four silver holes that you can just pop out. You remove the motherboard and install one of those heatsink/fan assemblies. Post in the AMD section looking for one and what you need to do and someone with one is bound to tell you about it. Might even find one around here that is not in use.

You can always test ram in the board to see if it will work. Do NOT turn the computer on without a heatsink/fan assembly on that chip as they did not have a processor thermal diode built in so there is NO failsafe and turning it on without the heatsink/fan assembly will burn it out in seconds, if that is not allready done. Doesn't look like it is though. The core looks fine.

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I have to physically hold the heatsink and fan in place if I want to power on. It won't POST or anything...so....I dunno

The plastic clips on the board are cracked off. They are supposed to hook onto the clips on the heatsink.

Will it really melt in seconds? It started up and then shut down. I then pushed down on the fan/heatsink to make double sure it was tou ching the core. It stayed on but nothing happened...Just a black screen. No beeps, nothing.

For now, I've taken the drive out and messing around with it in my current system.

EDIT: I may be able to clip on the heatsink succesfully...kind of.
    
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The Athlon XP core is a "Flip Chip" which means that they flipped the chip over so that the core bottom is on the top and as such is very fragile. With what you have told me I have little doubt that you have crushed the core resulting in a dead processor. This is the reason AMD went the route of the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) which is a flat metal cover on the chip that protects the very fragile core.

Pushing the heatsink onto the core was not a good idea. Before doing anything that you are unsure of it is a good idea to ask here as you would have been told not to do that and how to test for processor viability in a way that would not have damaged the core ie. to take the processor to a Mom & Pop shop and have them test it for you.

100 Watts pumped through an electric blanket will yield a surface that is only slightly warmer than room temperature as the surrounding air is sufficient to carry away the heat, but forcing 100 Watts through a processor die will cause an immediate meltdown unless a good heatsink is applied or a thermal diode monitor (in the cpu) halts the CPU before damage can occur. The Athlon XP has no internal thermal diode.

Research:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2001/09/...pot/index.html

Look at the pictures here and at your processor. Also look for any core crush such as cracks, corners crushed etc.

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post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ropey
The Athlon XP core is a "Flip Chip" which means that they flipped the chip over so that the core bottom is on the top and as such is very fragile. With what you have told me I have little doubt that you have crushed the core resulting in a dead processor. This is the reason AMD went the route of the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) which is a flat metal cover on the chip that protects the very fragile core.

Pushing the heatsink onto the core was not a good idea. Before doing anything that you are unsure of it is a good idea to ask here as you would have been told not to do that and how to test for processor viability in a way that would not have damaged the core ie. to take the processor to a Mom & Pop shop and have them test it for you.

100 Watts pumped through an electric blanket will yield a surface that is only slightly warmer than room temperature as the surrounding air is sufficient to carry away the heat, but forcing 100 Watts through a processor die will cause an immediate meltdown unless a good heatsink is applied or a thermal diode monitor (in the cpu) halts the CPU before damage can occur. The Athlon XP has no internal thermal diode.

Research:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2001/09/...pot/index.html

Look at the pictures here and at your processor. Also look for any core crush such as cracks, corners crushed etc.

R

The processor isn't crushed. I applied less pressure than what the clamps would have. There are 4 pads surrounding the core that prevent from crushing.

Thanks for the idea of just taking the CPU into somewhere though. The thought hadn't occured to me. I don't understand what was wrong with trying to reseat the heatsink. That's where it goes doesn't it? This motherboard may be shot too, I'm not sure. The heatsink has been flopping around inside for about 2 years, so who knows.

edit: haha, nice video. I had no idea AMD will be so visibly melted after less than a second of no heatsink. I think this CPU is ok...
    
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It looked fine from the picture (regarding meltdown, I can't say about the core crush) though. If the motherboard is not shot you can use those four holes around the CPU and an aftermarket Heatsink/Fan Assembly that utilizes them.

As long as your pressure was even and slow then I would say that yes, you might well be allright. Sometimes you can not see the core as crushed but it is and so you will find out from testing if that is the case or not.

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Ok, could you try to take a picture of where the clips are broken, cause it looks fine to me......
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Definitly go for a new motherboard, and maybe a 6800GS/7800Gs and youll be set for a while
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