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Hello,
It's time to upgrade my current rig...I did my best to make this 1.6 P4 last...but after installing TES4:Oblivion I realized it just isn't happening

So anyways, i'm looking into building my frist system, the main uses it will be used for is gaming and some school work. I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1,500 - $2,000.

Some questions I have concerning this though is that i HEAR it is cheaper to build your own rather than to buy a pre-built one, but I don't know this for a fact? so I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to if it is or not. Or even if it's just a simpe matter of trying to find the best deal.

Anyways....Gaming and school work in mind (i'm taking electrical engineering, so the work is some basic codeing and schematic simulation programs , so thats what i'm looking for in that range of school wise needs)

I have a specific interest in shopping for a AMD processor based cpu though as I was not too impressed with my last iNTEL.

so, any advice or suggestions as to things I should look at would be greatly appreciated...i'm too good when it comes to shopping to be honest, heh
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Originally Posted by G-Prime
Hello,
It's time to upgrade my current rig...I did my best to make this 1.6 P4 last...but after installing TES4:Oblivion I realized it just isn't happening

So anyways, i'm looking into building my frist system, the main uses it will be used for is gaming and some school work. I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1,500 - $2,000.

Some questions I have concerning this though is that i HEAR it is cheaper to build your own rather than to buy a pre-built one, but I don't know this for a fact? so I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to if it is or not. Or even if it's just a simpe matter of trying to find the best deal.

Anyways....Gaming and school work in mind (i'm taking electrical engineering, so the work is some basic codeing and schematic simulation programs , so thats what i'm looking for in that range of school wise needs)

I have a specific interest in shopping for a AMD processor based cpu though as I was not too impressed with my last iNTEL.

so, any advice or suggestions as to things I should look at would be greatly appreciated...i'm too good when it comes to shopping to be honest, heh

No doubt building your own computer is cheaper than buying in store (with the exception of certain low end dells that come with a monitor, its about the same). Anyways, 1500-2000 will get you a great system that should last a number of years. Is there a deadline or date you'd like to have your system completed? Intel has a new core coming out soon and it looks quite promising. Here are a few good sites to start looking:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/

http://www.ncix.com/
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Within a month or two would be preferd depending on how good this new chip is ( I am willing to give intel another try if it's really promising)

I forgot to mention I would like to avoid hewlett-packard, that was my last PC, when I got it, it kept shutting off and I didn't know why...turns out it was because it only had a 200 watt power supply, and any other power supply wouldn't fit the HP case, so I had to replace both, anyways...not a satisfied customer

but yes, a system that would last a number of years sounds good to me!
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bumpity bump...I need help
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well i just made this but i think its useful in explaing whats important for your first self built rig. Building you own is not only cheaper but its more than opening one box and hooking up your ne pc. btw when you make it yourself you take care fo it better and it lasts longer imo.

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/79...st-timers.html

post back some questions. Just dont skimp on areas of importance
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post #7 of 10
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Thanks guy, those faqs helped a ton, so I think i've almost decided on my processor, the choices are between http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...67&cid=CPU.611
and
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...68&cid=CPU.611

my main question about the two is that, is the extra cache really worth the extra $120??

or is there something even better I should be looking into?
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Also I recieved a flyer in the mail from future shop today (rather conveniently timed I must say) but anyways, there is a radeon x850 xt platinum edition pci-e card "for sale" for $400, from priceing it on the internet it seems like it's a good deal...I feel I should just ask to double check to make sure i'm not getting suckered into something that isn't that great a value
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I think you should look for some other card. Newegg ( a very beloved site for the US) has it posted at 379, not "on sale". Some of the 7800GTX are dropping to about 425-430, and x1800 can be found for that price too.
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I know nothing of Electrical Engineering but I would gather the programs to do that are very CPU/Memory intensive, if that is the case the extra cache would behoove your set-up.
Along with that get 2x1G modules with good timings and speed.
You said you have a new case and PS. You will need a quality PS w/500w or more to power a system you are looking to build. Watch for the 12+v rail(s) and the total should be 24 or more with a single vid card.
    
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