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Dude if I ever had to take those GPUs out to sneak a sound card or something.....yeah screw that LOL
 
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13302816 

But the Ascension wasn´t even an issue.
Considering that the Extended Ascension is the flagship of MM you can imply that the production values are vastly better than of its predeccessors.
Still absolutely no match for the LD.
Spacewise and radiator capable wise the Extended Ascension has the win no questions asked.
But you have to ask yourself do you really need it?
If you take a guy like Stallion with Tri 480 big CPU OC SR2(I believe) then 20 harddrives 2x 1080 rad + 2x360 rad and on and on of course I will recommend the Extended but watercooling isn´t that blunt anymore.
It has become more sophisticated and elegant.
And like I said people have become more body concsious of their cases and esthethically orientated.
And in my oppinion the Extended´s purpose isn´t really looking graceful and elegant but rather then being there to do the most extreme job possible.
And most people don´t want that anymore.
They concentrate on production values , good craftmanship and a nice design + silhouette.
But of course you are right looks are limited to the preferences of the beholder that is correct.
But if you consider the amount of people switching from MM to LD or DD you might wanna reconsider that statement:)

DD and LD are taking the lead in my opinion.

Every doublewide case on the market exists so that the builder can shove as many components inside it as possible. There is no doubt that all of the cases mentioned are good cases, they each just serve different purposes. If any other brand made it possible to shove 3x 560rads and 2x 280/360 rads in the case I would definitely not be purchasing DD.

One really can't compare a regular full tower with a doublewide case. Ascensions have more cooling ability than the LD v8 because of the sheer fact that it has the ability to move more air. LD just doesn't have as many possible intake and exhaust points. They are two very different cases with two very different purposes. The one thing that the UFO w/ pedestal offers over the ascension is ability to create heat zones so that the heat from the system isn't dumped anywhere near your components.

That being said, unless I'm making a budget build I'll never use a singlewide tower, just not enough cooling area (blah blah the v8 can fit 3x480 rads, but there is no where for it to exhaust enough air properly reducing the efficiency of the radiators). MM cases have infinite expandability which is the biggest pro. If I had the room I would just continue to expand my ufo, but sadly my desk is too low and I can't place my computer on or beside it.
 
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Originally Posted by fat_italian_stallion;13304476 
Every doublewide case on the market exists so that the builder can shove as many components inside it as possible. There is no doubt that all of the cases mentioned are good cases, they each just serve different purposes. If any other brand made it possible to shove 3x 560rads and 2x 280/360 rads in the case I would definitely not be purchasing DD.

One really can't compare a regular full tower with a doublewide case. Ascensions have more cooling ability than the LD v8 because of the sheer fact that it has the ability to move more air. LD just doesn't have as many possible intake and exhaust points. They are two very different cases with two very different purposes. The one thing that the UFO w/ pedestal offers over the ascension is ability to create heat zones so that the heat from the system isn't dumped anywhere near your components.

That being said, unless I'm making a budget build I'll never use a singlewide tower, just not enough cooling area (blah blah the v8 can fit 3x480 rads, but there is no where for it to exhaust enough air properly reducing the efficiency of the radiators). MM cases have infinite expandability which is the biggest pro. If I had the room I would just continue to expand my ufo, but sadly my desk is too low and I can't place my computer on or beside it.

Stallion I normally highly value your oppinion but this time what you are saying just is not entirely correct.

The Ascension has more watercooling options yet this doesn´t mean anything.
I can have 50 cars still I am only able to drive one to work.
Most of the intake/outtake fan options to for radiator support are inaccessable once your hardware is installed or only fitable with a very tight clearance to the other components.
You can have 100 fan options if in the end only 5 work than that is what you have.
Look at all the pictures of the Ascension here why do you think nobody has more than3x360 or 2x360 rad istalled?

But that isn´t even the kicker yet.
Ascension and Extended Ascension have absolutely no opportunity of intelligently disposing of the hot exhaust air dumped in the case.
You know that once the case is closed "which non are in the pictures lol" this can lead to serious heat clustering and once a certain amount of heat is trapped the cooling efficiency of the radiators will be decreased dramatically.

This is not about LD is better than MM and reverse but you have to understand some cases are just not comparable.

The LD can support 3x480 and 2x120 rads ,period that is a fact of which it can cool 2x480 100% effectively with ambient air and no resulting unintended heat dump or heat clustering and heating up of any other components by radiator exhaust air.
And sorry not even an Extended Ascension can say that.

Just saying my car has 1000 Watt Jackhammers in it but only power for my Stereo Radio Speaker system doesn´t fly anymore.

A comparison of the LD and Ascension can only be conducted if meant as a joke.

Extended Ascension and LD , DD that is an other story.

People who read this please understand that this isn´t about which case is better ..it goes way deeper than that^^

All mentionend cases are phenomenal and can be recommended immediately.
But people aren´t all the same we have preferences and different needs.
For example Stallion needs an extreme amount of cooling for his Tri 480 in that case it is only understandable he has to choose a case intended for that.

I myself wnat extreme cooling too but in addition to that unique and exclusive looks which in my oppinion is perfectly served by the LD.

You have to choose what fits you best:)
All companies and manufacturers have their +/- you have to decide for yourself what means most to you.

.)somewhat uneffective cooling
,)heat dump
.)cable management
.)lower class material for lower range cases
.)extreme proportions

If those things don´t mind you get the Extended Ascension but you should only pick it if you are absolutely certain that the space will be 100% used.
You don´t wanna end up like this guy:[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qvJd_xUv8&feature=related[/ame]

I myself was a viticm of the underestimation of space and the statement "better more than less" considering the Extended Ascension.

Pick the LD if don´t mind these factors:

.)not as much watercooling options as the Extended
.)not as much space as the Extended
.)marginal heatdump


Bottom Line:

Both Cases represent and are intended for what the other one isn´t smile.gif

Edited by Kung Pow - 4/28/11 at 10:03am
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Hmm a very plain looking box showed up at my house, i wonder what could be in it biggrin.gif
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@ Kungpow
Each case serves a different purpose completely which I agree with, it's really what it boils down to. All are of comparable build quality, hence similar pricing (once a MM case is finished with all of the necessary accessories). If you want a huge case with great cooling ability (when configured correctly) then pick up a mountain mods or a danger den case. If you a case that can cool in a rather compact form then pick up a little devil. Case labs isn't on my list bc I don't like the design, but they're good cases.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13302816 
Ok couple of things.

1.)Comparing the LD to the Pinnacle 24 must be a joke:doh:
The pinnacle can only hold a normal 360 and a slim on in the top because of hte psu placement.
Further more MM has saved a substancial amount of money considering the production values and material of the Pinnacle.
It is a low range case for beginners and people who don´t wanna spend money for a serious case but still be able to proud themselves to own a MM.

2.)I am not sure if you read through Stallions and my posts but the normal Ascension was never discussed.
My whole point of saying that MM is being surpressed more and more by LD and DD was based on the Extended Ascension.
Now I am not sure if you have owned or seen an Extended Ascension but trust me your statement "better more than not enough" does not apply here.

Not only in material, craftship,modelling and production values is the Ascension even remotely comparable to the LD also in water cooling ability the Ascension is far behind in space,capability and efficiency.

The big advantage of the Little Devil is the bottom compartment which actively enables the user to push cold ambient air and dispose it to the other side if you have one rad and the back and front if you have 2x480´s down there, at the same time does the exhaust air neither effect the other components nor create any space issues for further expansions.
That looks a little bit different with the Ascension:

Here you can see the hot exhaust air is spread all over the components and the case interior which will lead to vast tempreture rise and I don´t even wanna start if the case is closed.
Additionally you can see how the complete lack of cable management can contribute to the bad airflow and exhaust heat disposal which all added up lead to extreme heat clustering ,tempreture rise and ultimately less or unefficient radiator cooling which negates the effect of the watercooling by at least 40%.
IMG_1772.JPG?psid=1

But the Ascension wasn´t even an issue.
Considering that the Extended Ascension is the flagship of MM you can imply that the production values are vastly better than of its predeccessors.
Still absolutely no match for the LD.
Spacewise and radiator capable wise the Extended Ascension has the win no questions asked.
But you have to ask yourself do you really need it?
If you take a guy like Stallion with Tri 480 big CPU OC SR2(I believe) then 20 harddrives 2x 1080 rad + 2x360 rad and on and on of course I will recommend the Extended but watercooling isn´t that blunt anymore.
It has become more sophisticated and elegant.
And like I said people have become more body concsious of their cases and esthethically orientated.
And in my oppinion the Extended´s purpose isn´t really looking graceful and elegant but rather then being there to do the most extreme job possible.
And most people don´t want that anymore.
They concentrate on production values , good craftmanship and a nice design + silhouette.
But of course you are right looks are limited to the preferences of the beholder that is correct.
But if you consider the amount of people switching from MM to LD or DD you might wanna reconsider that statement:)

DD and LD are taking the lead in my oppinion.

Aight not sure exactly who's case this is but that is in no way shape or form a good representaion of what a good wire management would ever look like. If u are planning on allowing ur case to look like this then thats on u. Granted the Ascension is the flagship of MM but when i was refering to the basic I meant the basic Extended Ascension meaning not adding surplus stuff.
When i was comparing the Pinnicle to the LD it actually wasent a joke it was a comparision to size vs cost 24x24x9 $269 vs 25x28x8 $699 $430 more is it worth it not really. As for the LD having a diff compartment for cooling this is actually great and i would have to say this is a big plus for the LD case over the Ascension and any other MM case. But on the side not anyone that knows anything when it comes to heat and the way that heat works is unless the compartment is completely seperate (meaning not attached)or has a thermal barrier dividing these to items the heat will still desipate to the other compartment though any slots imprinted in the case.

This statement you made "Further more MM has saved a substancial amount of money considering the production values and material of the Pinnacle."
Honestly i have no clue where you got ur info from is so far from the truth i actually almost died laughing when i saw this. Considering the material used in every MM case is the exact same material 1.65mm-3.25mm thick aluminum compared to where there using the material at. So im guessing u really didnt know what u were talking about in this part of ur discussion or u just didnt seem it was feasable to look it up. another false statement u made was the amount of rads the Pinnicle can hold 1 360 and a slim 360 actually not true. my buddy has one with the quad window allowing 2 hold 2 360 1 480 and a 240 in the rear. Does he use it no but could he yes.
Now im not really seeing what in the world ur talking about as for water cooling capabilities as for a LD beating the extended sorry but its just not happeneing no way shape or form. Now for all argument sakes if ur going to say that the LD has a seperate compartment to itemize the heat desepation then get a pedestal for the extended for $179 and still have a $100 left to buy some d/b foam to make ur rig quieter and hide all ur wires.

Now i have seen some sexy MM cases and some crappy ones and in no way shape or form will i try to convince someone to buy one but looks are never the less really just in the eye of the buyer. Case in point look at Faster/Denis case thats one sexy beast
Edited by begjr2 - 4/28/11 at 11:46am
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Aight not sure exactly who's case this is but that is in no way shape or form a good representaion of what a good wire management would ever look like. If u are planning on allowing ur case to look like this then thats on u. Granted the Ascension is the flagship of MM but when i was refering to the basic I meant the basic Extended Ascension meaning not adding surplus stuff.
When i was comparing the Pinnicle to the LD it actually wasent a joke it was a comparision to size vs cost 24x24x9 $269 vs 25x28x8 $699 $430 more is it worth it not really. As for the LD having a diff compartment for cooling this is actually great and i would have to say this is a big plus for the LD case over the Ascension and any other MM case. But on the side not anyone that knows anything when it comes to heat and the way that heat works is unless the compartment is completely seperate (meaning not attached)or has a thermal barrier dividing these to items the heat will still desipate to the other compartment though any slots imprinted in the case.

This statement you made "Further more MM has saved a substancial amount of money considering the production values and material of the Pinnacle."
Honestly i have no clue where you got ur info from is so far from the truth i actually almost died laughing when i saw this. Considering the material used in every MM case is the exact same material 1.65mm-3.25mm thick aluminum compared to where there using the material at. So im guessing u really didnt know what u were talking about in this part of ur discussion or u just didnt seem it was feasable to look it up. another false statement u made was the amount of rads the Pinnicle can hold 1 360 and a slim 360 actually not true. my buddy has one with the quad window allowing 2 hold 2 360 1 480 and a 240 in the rear. Does he use it no but could he yes.
Now im not really seeing what in the world ur talking about as for water cooling capabilities as for a LD beating the extended sorry but its just not happeneing no way shape or form. Now for all argument sakes if ur going to say that the LD has a seperate compartment to itemize the heat desepation then get a pedestal for the extended for $179 and still have a $100 left to buy some d/b foam to make ur rig quieter and hide all ur wires.

Now i have seen some sexy MM cases and some crappy ones and in no way shape or form will i try to convince someone to buy one but looks are never the less really just in the eye of the buyer. Case in point look at Faster/Denis case thats one sexy beast


1.)Your comparsion makes absolutely no sense.
What do dimensions have to do with the price issue?
The LD is more expensive than the Pinnacle not only because it is bigger?doh.gif but mainly because the material and production values are incomparable , the bottom compartment, and the obviously higher amount of watercooling options.
We already checked that the Ascension CYO was incomparable to the LD in both watercooling ability,watercooling efficiency and most of all material and craftship value so please don´t even start again with the Pinnacle.
Frankly I don´t care what your buddy can fit in the Pinnacle 24 the manufacturer themselves clearly state the amount of radiators that can fit in it and a 480 is not among the designation.
Maybe a slim rad in the top and a 360 in the front ...exhaust fan 120 mm rad options not counted.

2.)If you had read my post more carefully you would have seen that I multiple times stated this was not a question of which case is better but only a plain comparison of both cases advantages and disadvantages, so please pay more attention.
As Stallion and myself already said, bot the LD and Extended are there to serve a purpose and both feature the other ones disadvantages and reverse.


3.)I would also very much like to stress the fact that the bottom compartment of the LD gives it even a little advantage over the other cases in terms of cooling efficiency.
Since there is no case that can effectively cool 2x480 rads with ambient air and completely negate any heat clustering and isolate the heat from the other components.
Sure the Extended has way more radaitor options no argue there... but in my oppinion when it comes to radiators it is not quantity but rather quality that counts ...and how a radiator performs is mostly decided by the air it is supplied with.
I myself had a 1080 rad which was supplied with case air since I didn´t want anymore heatdump in my Extended ...now I have a RX480 and an open System until my LD arrives ..the temp difference between them is 3C.

So you should really keep in mind that many radiators doesn´t always mean best cooling ability espeacially considering MM cases.


So again Bottom Line:

In terms of "being" able to compare cases I don´t believe that anything lower than the MM Extended Ascension is even worthy of being compared to the LD.
Danger Den have their own category in my oppinion neither above LD and Extended Ascension but also not below ...they feature the goodies for extremely special needs:)
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13306259 
The LD can support 3x480 and 2x120 rads ,period that is a fact of which it can cool 2x480 100% effectively with ambient air and no resulting unintended heat dump or heat clustering and heating up of any other components by radiator exhaust air.
And sorry not even an Extended Ascension can say that.

Are you sure?

In my MM Extended Ascension, I now have 1 X 480 rad on the top panel (and could easily put another one), and 3x 360 rads on the front panel, and the air is blowing from back to front.

So I can easily do 2X480 (top panel) and 3X360 and those are cooled ''100% effectively with ambient air and no resulting unintended heat dump or heat clustering and heating up of any other components by radiator exhaust air''.

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Are you sure?

In my MM Extended Ascension, I now have 1 X 480 rad on the top panel (and could easily put another one), and 3x 360 rads on the front panel, and the air is blowing from back to front.

So I can easily do 2X480 (top panel) and 3X360 and those are cooled ''100% effectively with ambient air and no resulting unintended heat dump or heat clustering and heating up of any other components by radiator exhaust air''.

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First of all it is called push/pull or pull/push.

Because of your sloppy term selection I am not sure which one you are operating but either way you are wrong.

If you have a pull/push config all the exhaust air will be dumped into your Extended Ascension and with time it will build up ultimately causing heat clustering and lastly a decrease of your radiator cooling efficiency.

If you on the other hand are operating a push/pull config your statement of your rads being supplied with cool ambient air and therefor operating at their maximum cooling potential is false.

That is the weekness of MM cases considering water cooling efficiency in my oppinion, they have provided the user with many radiator options but the intelligence and strategy behind the many radiator options actually enabling the radiator to perform at its peek is rather shallow and should have been thought through a little better.

That problem will not be encountered with the LD or at least only partially since 2x480 can be effectively cooled.
The top 480 option though suffers the same problems as MM though.

Judging by your post you have an Extended Ascension with Triple Quad top panel and trinity Front Panel.
Since you only have a 480 in the top the rest of the space in top is unused and therefor redundant.
You are a good example for someone to have bought a case which´s purpose isn´t actually being fullfilled by you.

Out of a 100 people there might only be 3 that actually "and I mean every single space" need an Extended Ascension.
When picking a case you should always get what you need , in your case you obviously don´t need it considering your hardware and left out rad spaces.
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