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Oh P.S. that is a waste of money^^^ if money was not an issue why not get a fx60 and the new ocz phase change cooler and overclock the **** out of it? upgrade the mobo why yer at it!
what Mobo can i upgrade to? since Asus deluxe is basicly the same as premium
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4.3 on water hahahahahaha im@2.6 &all air i bet a 3700 could out clock the canroe no problem with the right set up; and you have an amazing set up right now btw.
It's Conroe

The 9xx series is completely different than the Conroe, and considering that the Conroe has benchmarked higher than the FX-60, I severly doubt a single core 3700 could give it a run for it's money. Especially considering the old 820 gives the 3700 San Diego a run for it's money...


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while the 3700 beats the 820 here, it is a small victory, and a far cry from the FX-60, which the Conroe beats.

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Sandra CPU whetstone

Sandra CPU dhrystone


These two battle back and forth in different applications, and it is likely the 3700 is a slightly better chip than the 820..........but the 820 is a dinosaur compared to the Conroe.


If the point is to have the fastest CPU out there, then Conroe is the way to go. At least until AMD tells us what they have up their sleeve to challenge it. Maybe a FX-60 on phase change would beat a Conroe stock. But if you spend the same money on the Conroe and phase change it, it'll pull right back into the lead. And you would still have money left over, since the Conroe is going to be way cheaper than the FX-60 is. the cheapest FX-60 is what? $800? The most expensive Conroe will be about $500.
post #13 of 19
sweet now we all have to do is wait for new AMD stuff to come out and spank intel and it will be history all over again, AMD for gamers

Personally, i think you should wait till AMD release its M2 processors and then you can compare the 2 NEW cpus/mobos and other goodies, member AMD isnt support dd2s yet like intel but the m2 socket will allow that, if i was you jus hold off till there both released and keep ur currrent setup
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Theres not much of a gain with the DDR2 for the Amd's new line but that will change after they work out the bugs.

If it was me I would hold off in tell the actual release of Conroe for the general public, Both companys use ES samples for advertising, not the actual production chips, they both have a past of doing this.
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well if ur planning on selling ur rig how much are u going to ask for?
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Ok, anyone who said he's stupid, take your own advice.

First of all, I'm not saying theres anything wrong with that 4800+ because thats one mean CPU. The presler line (once overclocked) outperforms the AMD dualcores, from everything I have seen. The downside is that the Intel dualcores run very hot. If you can get some good cooling on the chip, go for it because that presler will clock way high. If you are planning on buying a Conroe, stay with the X2 for sure.

AMD and DDR2 isnt what everyone thinks. Intel has always thrived from high bandwidth regardless of timings. AMD has always thrived from very tight timings. DDR2 will never be 2-2-2-5, so AMD has kind of taken one step backwards. AMD would perform MUCH better on two gigs of DDR-650 then it would on two gigs of DDR2-1000. Why? Because the DDR2 will be sporting timings such as 5-5-5-15 while the DDR will be 3-4-4-8 or so. AMD should've developed their memory controller in order to handle 2gigs much easier than it can now. AMD just doesnt like 2gigs, unlike intel. Intel can stack up the ram no problem, and not show a loss, due to the northbridge. AMD decided to remove the memory controller from the board, which makes them more efficient with 1gig. There are losses/gains to both sides here. The thing is, in my opinion 2gigs is now needed for gaming/heavy application work. Also, DDR can keep up with DDR2 bandwidth wise, so I dont know why AMD is going crazy to switch, what for? Just because DDR2 is better for Intel, doesnt mean DDR2 is better for AMD. The latency/timing issue goes as far as L2 cache. Intel upped to 2MB L2 with more relaxed timings while AMD stayed 1MB with tighter timings. AMD just doesnt like loose timings / high bandwidth and Intel doesnt like tight timings / low bandwidth.

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If you arent going Conroe asap, switch. If you can wait for Conroe, wait. That 4800+ is an awesome CPU, dont underestimate it...
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Ok, anyone who said he's stupid, take your own advice.

First of all, I'm not saying theres anything wrong with that 4800+ because thats one mean CPU. The presler line (once overclocked) outperforms the AMD dualcores, from everything I have seen. The downside is that the Intel dualcores run very hot. If you can get some good cooling on the chip, go for it because that presler will clock way high. If you are planning on buying a Conroe, stay with the X2 for sure.

AMD and DDR2 isnt what everyone thinks. Intel has always thrived from high bandwidth regardless of timings. AMD has always thrived from very tight timings. DDR2 will never be 2-2-2-5, so AMD has kind of taken one step backwards. AMD would perform MUCH better on two gigs of DDR-650 then it would on two gigs of DDR2-1000. Why? Because the DDR2 will be sporting timings such as 5-5-5-15 while the DDR will be 3-4-4-8 or so. AMD should've developed their memory controller in order to handle 2gigs much easier than it can now. AMD just doesnt like 2gigs, unlike intel. Intel can stack up the ram no problem, and not show a loss, due to the northbridge. AMD decided to remove the memory controller from the board, which makes them more efficient with 1gig. There are losses/gains to both sides here. The thing is, in my opinion 2gigs is now needed for gaming/heavy application work. Also, DDR can keep up with DDR2 bandwidth wise, so I dont know why AMD is going crazy to switch, what for? Just because DDR2 is better for Intel, doesnt mean DDR2 is better for AMD. The latency/timing issue goes as far as L2 cache. Intel upped to 2MB L2 with more relaxed timings while AMD stayed 1MB with tighter timings. AMD just doesnt like loose timings / high bandwidth and Intel doesnt like tight timings / low bandwidth.

My advice:

If you arent going Conroe asap, switch. If you can wait for Conroe, wait. That 4800+ is an awesome CPU, dont underestimate it...

Thank you for the insightful post...i guess i'll stay with 4800+ and it 12 max multiplier. (i wish i had unlock multiplier)...anyway i guess i just wait till the Conroe come out to make the jump. I alway been a INtel fan, i just got all caught up with all the X2 hype...
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LOL

A post in the AMD section with a person wanting to switch from Intel to AMD would not have Intel Fanboys running around like this.

AMD fanboys remind me of small men running around trying to impress women at a football game. My take, if someone wants to change platforms then why not if it makes them happy. It certainly isn't there to make me happy so I say "Go for it" and hey, have fun doing it

Thanks for the chuckly guys.



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post #19 of 19
If I had an X2 4800+, I woulnd't bet thinking in upgrading in about a year or year-and-a-half.

As for the 950.....it's a great CPU, it can keep up with an FX-60; LINK HERE.

The 950 can easily be overclocked to (250x17) 4.25ghz with the stock cooler and stock voltage and if using a 3rd party cooler, you're in for the (265x17) 4.50ghz, a nice speed increase on air with less than a 1.5Vc.

Either way.....I wouldn't upgrade from an X2 4800+ till 12 months from now.

Heck, I don't even have a Dual Core yet, but I'll have one by Q3 when Preslers will have a huge price cuts.
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