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There was a great FAQ explaining how to make your own phase change system not too long ago, but it seems to have disappeared.

I'm interested in setting up a nice *small* water chilling setup, that could fit inside a full tower case. If anyone could tell me all the specific parts I need (as well as where I could find them and prices to expect), excluding parts for the waterloop, I'd be very grateful.
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Anyone to help? I know I need a compressor, condensor and evaprator coil, and some capilary tubing, and some refridgerant, and....

...and I don't know what I'm talking about! Someonebody please help me! =(!
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Go and get yourself a small AC unit and there is all of your parts ready to go, just transfer it if poss to a case Building one from scratch will cost more and then you are better off going direct die.
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I don't think I could find an ac unit with a combination of small size and ample power that would in in a PC case, do you? =/ I'm trying not to have a huge deskfull of stuff here =P (like project cold hehe)
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I don't think I could find an ac unit with a combination of small size and ample power that would in in a PC case, do you? =/ I'm trying not to have a huge deskfull of stuff here =P (like project cold hehe)
You won't find one that fits in your case, your looking at the wrong type of operation. A water chiller will not fit in your case. If your wondering how to build one, there is a link in my sig, but it will be a lot bigger, sheesh the res. itself is going to be bigger than you expect, unless you use propane as coolent, but I don't see that hapening.

If your dieing for subzero, get a nice water setup, and buy a TEC. That's probably your best option.
    
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I don't mean one that fits in a case WITH a computer, I mean one that fits in an EMPTY computer case. And a large one, like a CM stacker. =P

And how big exactly does a reservoir need to be for a water chiller setup? =/ I mean, I was picturing like no bigger than 6"x12"x18", I mean, that'd hold a couple gallons.

edit: yeah, I looked at your waterchiller build link in your sig, I don't see it being too hard to fit something of equal capacity as 12 can cooler inside a 2'x2' case.
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I don't mean one that fits in a case WITH a computer, I mean one that fits in an EMPTY computer case. And a large one, like a CM stacker. =P

And how big exactly does a reservoir need to be for a water chiller setup? =/ I mean, I was picturing like no bigger than 6"x12"x18", I mean, that'd hold a couple gallons.

edit: yeah, I looked at your waterchiller build link in your sig, I don't see it being too hard to fit something of equal capacity as 12 can cooler inside a 2'x2' case.
Ok, lol, that sounds better, though I have actually seen it done with a phase change (propane), looked messy, but worked.

Yea, that 12 can cooler would fit in a case, thats the big part, but it would be a jam to get in the condenser w/fan... ehh, Just easier if you have some modding skills to make a custom box (scrap metal or wood, your choice). That's what I would do. Actually, you could probably just have the res/evap on the outside, and buy a smaller case to house the condenser + compressor. That's the best thing you could do.
    
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Yeah, main concern is really just for appearance and uniformity while maintaining great cooling. =P

The real thing I need to know is how to choose the right parts (some items like the compressor might have to be pretty small, like not much bigger than vapochill sized for this to work like I'd want. =P). I've found tons of useful (sounding) guides for how to build a set up, etc, but no information on where to actually GET parts, and what to LOOK FOR.

Oh, and mind, for the evaporator, I wouldn't be using some huge clunky cooling element from an AC unit, I'd just use a submerged drop coil, which from the reading I've done sounds well fitted to the task, especially because of how easy it is to reshape.
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Yeah, main concern is really just for appearance and uniformity while maintaining great cooling. =P

The real thing I need to know is how to choose the right parts (some items like the compressor might have to be pretty small, like not much bigger than vapochill sized for this to work like I'd want. =P). I've found tons of useful (sounding) guides for how to build a set up, etc, but no information on where to actually GET parts, and what to LOOK FOR.

Oh, and mind, for the evaporator, I wouldn't be using some huge clunky cooling element from an AC unit, I'd just use a submerged drop coil, which from the reading I've done sounds well fitted to the task, especially because of how easy it is to reshape.
good, I like the idea that your using a drop coil.. well that makes things much simpler. Well, if you have all your manifold gauges..recovery unit and EPA certification not to mention any worth while refrigerant (which isn't cheap) You will need a vacuum pump..a minimum of Mapp gas torch for brazing(do not solder)...brazing rod, flux, swaging tools, benders, copper tubing, copper ftgs, filter/drier, cap tube..and the correct size and length. Not to mention, the only refrigerant you can use without a license is propane which can be extremely dangerous.
There is more to this than meets the eye. So usually people know what they are doing, unless your up to the test, i'll help, but i would say, buy an A/C and use my guide.
    
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post #10 of 42
what you need is :-

Compressor
Condensor
Drier
Metering Device (Cap tube, TEV, EEV)
Evaporator (DD or Coil)
Copper
Insulation
Refrigerant

Tool's :-

Charging manifold and hoses
Vacuum pump
Flaring/swagging tool
MAPP Torch or OxyAcetylene Torch
Brazing rod's, i'd recommend Silfoss 15%
Refrigerant oil, if it's an old compressor (depend's on type of refrigerant)

Using a Cap tube would probably be your best option, if you want to adjust the superheat then a PEV would be a good choice but if you want the superheat automatically controlled then an EEV would be your best bet.

What i'd recommend you doing is either buying an A/C unit and making a chiller or going to www.xtremesystems.org/forums/ and PM'ing Chilly1, FUGGER, Jinu117, Johann or Gray Mole and speaking to them about it.

They'll quite happily build you a unit and it should be that expensive, how much are you looking at spending?

Feel free to PM me if ou need any further help.

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