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All prices in Canadian dollars.

Does anybody think they can throw together a custom build that matches the following OEM build (in terms of feature-set & capabilities) for CA$645.15...? (Before taxes)


Intel Core i7-860 (2.8GHz, 8MB L3)
mATX Motherboard, 4xDIMM, 4xSATA ICH10R, 1xPCIe-x16
Integrated 5.1 Channel Audio
Integrated Gigabit Ethernet
2GB DDR3-SDRAM (2 DIMMS)
160GB SATA 7200RPM
512MB GeForce G310 (DVI + VGA + HDMI)
16X DVD+/-RW
Generic Keyboard + Optical Mouse
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Included (With recovery disc)
Generic Case (2x5.25, 2x3.5 Internal, 1x3.5 External)
350W Power Supply


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Common Canadian sites:

www.canadacomputers.com
www.ncix.com
www.newegg.ca
www.onhop.ca
www.infonec.ca
www.bewawa.com
www.tigerdirect.com

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Basically just wondering if anybody thinks that this is a really cheap Core i7 system... granted there's no capability for overclocking, but it would be more than sufficient as a general-use system for "the rest of the population"
Edited by ComGuards - 9/2/10 at 11:30am
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What's the usage pattern?
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The fact you're ordering from Canadian sites and Windows 7 is included in the OEM, it's quite tough to beat.

Some patience and Microcenter deals and you could get a pretty comparable one though.
    
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
What's the usage pattern?
General desktop usage. The occasional DVD rip & burn. Bit of personal-movie editing, etc. Nothing major. The Core i7 is really an overkill as a processor option, but for that price? lol.

I take that back - a bit of Photoshop CS5 editing, and Nero Vision DVD editing... both of which are apparently multi-thread aware & capable...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComGuards View Post
General desktop usage. The occasional DVD rip & burn. Bit of personal-movie editing, etc. Nothing major. The Core i7 is really an overkill as a processor option, but for that price? lol.
Is the 160GB HDD enough?


Using USD pricing on parts.... I could do cheaper build that meets the needs for $450:
AMD mobo + Athlon II X2 CPU = $110
2GB DDR3 = $60
1TB HDD = $60
ODD = $20
KB+Mouse = $40
Case = $40
PSU = $40
Win7 = $80


No monitor, right?
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post #6 of 7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Is the 160GB HDD enough?


Using USD pricing on parts.... I could do cheaper build that meets the needs for $450:
AMD mobo + Athlon II X2 CPU = $110
2GB DDR3 = $60
1TB HDD = $60
ODD = $20
KB+Mouse = $40
Case = $40
PSU = $40
Win7 = $80


No monitor, right?
Thanks . Rep for.... never mind, can't give you one

I suppose the original question should have been better stated as "Can you think of any reason not to go with an OEM build for a Core i7 system for the given price?", lol. Or rather, is the price/performance ratio for that particular OEM system a good one?

Your listed AMD option serves as a good reference for me personally. Though If I drop the original configuration from a Core i7-860 to a Core i3-530 (2.93GHz, VT, 3MB L2, HT-enabled), the price drops down to $500.65... Is there any real reason why you would pick a low-end AMD chip over a Core i3? In the old days, it would be justifiable when comparing against Intel Celerons... but i3? (I've stopped spending my time staring at CPU benchmarks on the web )

The 160GB is technically enough, since the target audience has existing data hard-drives which can be connected to the new system - so the 160GB option is really just for booting... Well, booting that first time since the system never gets shut down / rebooted very often anyways...
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post #7 of 7
I think the problem with all the above is the systems are badly balanced for general usage. The RAM is way too low at 2GB, making the i7 a complete waste and still likely creating issues for the vastly slower AMD or i3 chips.

A 160GB HDD also seems a bit of a waste - although you may not need more space, a 160GB disk is almost certainly at best using 320GB platters - half what the fastest drives around now are using. Throwing in a Samsung F4 for a boot drive would be a good choice for either system (and that drops Duckie's build price further, at the expense of 2/3 the listed disk space).

Graphics could also be an issue - I don't really game and I no longer need to use CUDA or Stream, so I don't really bother with gpu benchmarks any more. But I would be surprised if the OEM's discrete GPU wouldn't be considerably faster than the onboard offering from Duckie. Not sure how it would stack up to the i3's graphics capabilities though - if going that route is even an option from the OEM - the G310 is a pretty crappy card after all.

For Duckie's system, switching the HDD and adding another 2GB RAM would make a capable system for only a little more money. Switching the whole lot to an i3 build might make sense also, although obviously at increased cost but for more performance. His build allows much more upgrade potential also - throw in a decent gpu for another $100 (I'm assuming you went for a CX400) and the extra HDDs the customer has lying around (usually many more 3.5" bays in a 'normal' case rather than an OEM system) and you have a nice-ish system.

The OEM setup is less well balanced and a little more expensive, and will have much less room for expansion. But, it also has 1 massive thing in its favour - it comes complete and ready-built, and if something goes wrong with it, you only have to go to 1 place to get it fixed. For most (non-OCN) people that is a good enough reason to stick with the OEM build. For most people on here it probably isn't much of an issue, making the OEM just a little more expensive, and therefore probably not worth it.

Just my 2 cents (probably nearer 10 cents - gone on a bit longer than I intended, and not really added much of use, but hey... )
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