Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Guild Wars 2 Discussion, Video & Screenshot Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Official] Guild Wars 2 Discussion, Video & Screenshot Thread - Page 21

post #201 of 10385
Thread Starter 
apparently TOR's cover system only works for one or two classes.
post #202 of 10385
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdition64 View Post
Well, I'm of the opinion that storytelling through gameplay is superior to storytelling through cutscenes. Cutscenes are cool and all, but to me they should augment the storytelling...fill in the finer details. I worry that BW's MMO wont be able to cover up the kill/fetch/escort stuff well enough, because most RPG quests feature kill/fetch stuff, but its by covering it up with storyline usually told through gameplay, with cinematics dotted about that it covers it up. Like, you may be told you need this artifact to heal some dude, and you go. Stuff hits the fan, and the artifact is stolen, and you go after the robbers to get the artifact. The MMO style of doing this is usually X has stolen Y, kill X and loot Y and bring it back. I want ambushes, sudden stuff happening during quests. That's what I worry about.

Guild wars 2 seemingly offers that with DE's. I'm not being told the town is being harassed, I can see it. I'm not told that a crazy ass dragon has landed and is now marching towards a city, i can see it, or i hear about it and get my ass down there. Each event has failure and sucess branches, so I can stick with one event for a few hours and watch it develop and progress. However, the same problem applies - how blatant the feeling of "I'm just doing this to level up" is a factor; that is, I shouldn't really be thinking that at all. I should be wanting to finish a chain to see what happens.

The classes versatility argument is lost on me after Rift (damn rift). TOR looks closer to WoW style combat than GW2 in my opinion. In GW2 PvP, I can see dodging etc becoming core to success. If it follows GW's trend, it will not be gear based. TOR seems to go with a more traditional approach to combat, which probably gives it a higher chance of being gear based. Its difficult to do skill-based pvp in the traditional setup without non-targeted skills (some) and dodging that every class is built and balanced around. The cover system may help things a bit, but then again, I don't really want everyone hiding behind cover constantly either. I think GW2's trinity is still there, just changed. Support, Control, and DPS. I feel these are all closer linked than healing, tanking and dps though, so it wont feel as if you need to go shout LF healer.

EDIT: Vhati's goddamn right when he says GW 1 had storyline. Just because its in a box and not a cutscene, doesnt make it any less storyline.

Also, Bioware fanboy? Hell. The only dev ill be a fanboy of is Valve. Still haven't dropped the ball for me. DA2 unimpressed me, and DA1 managed to get an "ok" from me. The fact that James Ohlen (lead designer of DA if I remember..might not be) is back at TOR, leading the project does not..excite me.
Valve is awesome, but just because of one bad title vs dozens does not make or break a dev for me.

And the events you're talking about will have a place in TOR. They just won't be as random as the way GW2 implements them. You make choices, and events will unfold upon those choices. There will be instances in the game where you can choose to act in a certain way, and the story will unfold differently vs if you chose a different direction. Again, we'll see how well this is implemented into the game, but with the amount of testing going on, I'm pretty damn sure it is going to be extremely well thought out.
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
post #203 of 10385
PCgamer preview sounds like an odd mix of dull combat and decent, if a bit messily done storyline. (referencing the bit where he goes there is only one endorsement, etc etc). Oh, and they kept the moronic say something completely different crap from ME. WHY?!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bovice163 View Post
Valve is awesome, but just because of one bad title vs dozens does not make or break a dev for me.

And the events you're talking about will have a place in TOR. They just won't be as random as the way GW2 implements them. You make choices, and events will unfold upon those choices. There will be instances in the game where you can choose to act in a certain way, and the story will unfold differently vs if you chose a different direction. Again, we'll see how well this is implemented into the game, but with the amount of testing going on, I'm pretty damn sure it is going to be extremely well thought out.
I never played older games etc from Bioware, so for me, 2/4 games were awesome that I've played..hence im not a fanboy. Valve, I love tons for their versatility. They can do a lot, and do it well. Only Nintendo occupies this space with valve for me, but I hesitate when calling them a dev..they do develop stuff, but they also do a buttload of other stuff.
Edited by Perdition64 - 4/21/11 at 10:07am
Perdi's machine
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 @ 4ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III/PE OC 6GB Corsair XMS3 Classic 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung F1 1TB Windows 7 64-bit Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 16:09 Logitech G15 2nd rev. 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850W CoolerMaster 690 II Razer Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
Perdi's machine
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 @ 4ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III/PE OC 6GB Corsair XMS3 Classic 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung F1 1TB Windows 7 64-bit Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 16:09 Logitech G15 2nd rev. 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850W CoolerMaster 690 II Razer Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
post #204 of 10385
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLCLimax View Post
apparently TOR's cover system only works for one or two classes.
Well no ****. What kind of a Jedi or Bounty Hunter is going to get behind a rock and take cover? You seem to lack basic comprehension skills and take things out of context. This game is based on the story of Star Wars, it would be unwise to allow a Jedi to cower behind cover if they're getting **** on.

Again, you seem to take the WoW part completely out of context. They're not saying it's going to be a clone at all, but merely stating the fact that WoW is successful because they have done and polished several aspects of an MMO which made them successful. They are only building upon that and offering their own unique take on it. Do you realize how stupid it would be for a developer to completely disregard anything WoW has done, and go into the fray and take risks on different parts of gameplay that could possibly make or break the game? It's a risky business, and when you pump $150 million dollars into something, I doubt you're willing to take a huge chance with things the community may or may not like. Stick with the things that worked, and innovate them somewhat, but don't start from scratch with crazy ideas that may be taken poorly.
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
post #205 of 10385
Quote:
Originally Posted by bovice163 View Post
Well no ****. What kind of a Jedi or Bounty Hunter is going to get behind a rock and take cover? You seem to lack basic comprehension skills and take things out of context. This game is based on the story of Star Wars, it would be unwise to allow a Jedi to cower behind cover if they're getting **** on.

Well, I dunno, cover seems quite natural for a bounty hunter. IMO all classes should have a cover mechanic, because everyone in an overwhelming situation would take cover. IMO.
Perdi's machine
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 @ 4ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III/PE OC 6GB Corsair XMS3 Classic 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung F1 1TB Windows 7 64-bit Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 16:09 Logitech G15 2nd rev. 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850W CoolerMaster 690 II Razer Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
Perdi's machine
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 @ 4ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III/PE OC 6GB Corsair XMS3 Classic 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung F1 1TB Windows 7 64-bit Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 16:09 Logitech G15 2nd rev. 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850W CoolerMaster 690 II Razer Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
post #206 of 10385
Thread Starter 
lol. you should take your leave from the topic. stop trying to derail it. you lost the debate that you started with me, now move on.
post #207 of 10385
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLCLimax View Post
lol. you should take your leave from the topic. stop trying to derail it. you lost the debate that you started with me, now move on.
Derail what? There was no debate because dou didnt't provide anything insightful other than 'wow lol this game sux because i say it does'.
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
post #208 of 10385
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdition64 View Post
Well, I dunno, cover seems quite natural for a bounty hunter. IMO all classes should have a cover mechanic, because everyone in an overwhelming situation would take cover. IMO.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but I'm just basing it off the movies. How often do you see Obi Wan or Darth Vader taking cover? BH to me seems like a Trooper; go into battle with some big ass guns and take down anything that tries to **** with you. It's not really a stealthy or finesse type class like the Agent, which is trying to get kill you from a secure spot. Just my take on it.
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
BRAAAAAAIINS
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-2600K @ 4.6ghz/1.305v ASUS P8P67 EVO MSI N580GTX Lightning Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM Windows 7 Enterprise x64 AW2310 Corsair TX750 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
CM 690 II Advanced Mionix Naos 5000 Steelpad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
post #209 of 10385
Quote:
Originally Posted by bovice163 View Post
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but I'm just basing it off the movies. How often do you see Obi Wan or Darth Vader taking cover? BH to me seems like a Trooper; go into battle with some big ass guns and take down anything that tries to **** with you. It's not really a stealthy or finesse type class like the Agent, which is trying to get kill you from a secure spot. Just my take on it.
While true, if they're gonna neuter the lightsabers by not making them cauterize horribly in one blow for the sake of balance and fun, then they can do the same for cover
Perdi's machine
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 @ 4ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III/PE OC 6GB Corsair XMS3 Classic 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung F1 1TB Windows 7 64-bit Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 16:09 Logitech G15 2nd rev. 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850W CoolerMaster 690 II Razer Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
Perdi's machine
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 @ 4ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III/PE OC 6GB Corsair XMS3 Classic 1600mhz 7-8-7-20 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung F1 1TB Windows 7 64-bit Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 16:09 Logitech G15 2nd rev. 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850W CoolerMaster 690 II Razer Copperhead 
  hide details  
Reply
post #210 of 10385
back on topic: the pvp of gw2 sounds pretty damn cool if they still plan on these epic scale battles. I was not really impressed with the way it was done in gw (FA namely). I think it's a great idea to have these massive battles that take place in one area for a couple of weeks, then switch areas before things get too stagnant, or one sided.

The only down side to this that I can see would be making it very difficult to coordinate any kind of strategic planning that could actually turn the tide, and with such large scale servers, pay to play seems almost unavoidable. Not that I would be deterred from getting gw2 if it was pay to play, but being that it wasn't has always been a big plus to me.
The Grey Box
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3770k delid 4.6 at 1.25 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H Gigabyte 1080 Ti Aorus Xtreme Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel 730 WD20002FAEX Raid1 Samsung 850 Pro Heatkiller 3.0 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
DDC-1 & Swiftech Micro Res x3 HW Labs GTX 360 Radiator (Pelts Hot Side) Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 XT Coolit FreeZone (pelts & pelt water block only) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Custom Copper Heat Exchanger For Pelts HW Labs 120 Radiator (VGA) Win7 64/Linux SuSe Samsung 22" 1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse II EVGA supernova 750 G2 Coolermaster Cosmos V1 Logitech mx518 
Mouse Pad
Allsop 
  hide details  
Reply
The Grey Box
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3770k delid 4.6 at 1.25 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H Gigabyte 1080 Ti Aorus Xtreme Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel 730 WD20002FAEX Raid1 Samsung 850 Pro Heatkiller 3.0 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
DDC-1 & Swiftech Micro Res x3 HW Labs GTX 360 Radiator (Pelts Hot Side) Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 XT Coolit FreeZone (pelts & pelt water block only) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Custom Copper Heat Exchanger For Pelts HW Labs 120 Radiator (VGA) Win7 64/Linux SuSe Samsung 22" 1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse II EVGA supernova 750 G2 Coolermaster Cosmos V1 Logitech mx518 
Mouse Pad
Allsop 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › [Official] Guild Wars 2 Discussion, Video & Screenshot Thread