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damn dude, you just have a habit of being wrong about MMOs.

Age of Conan is a perfect example of you being horribly wrong. It is one of the best looking games ever made, MMO or not.
You're right, I should be extremely specific in my replies, and be careful to include every possible conceivable qualifier to the argument at hand, so that trolls can't find something wrong in what you've said and berate you for it.

I should have said, no successful MMOs are.

AoC did have higher requirements, and thus was hard to run for many people, and often lagged and stuttered on even decent machines. It was poorly optimized, it's sales figures were also low http://news.softpedia.com/news/Age-o...ed-87430.shtml

If you don't know anything about the topic in hand, then why comment at all? All you do is seem to troll around these boards picking and choosing what you want to hear and manipulating people's words to create arguments. . If you don't know information about the game we are discussing, don't know about the engine, don't know how it's going to be optimized for many systems, then just go back to 4chan.

That's all that you seem to do here, is argue with people. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/opp...sorder/DS00630
I remember in the old Sandy Bridge threads, you would just come in there trolling, trying to start fights with people.
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You're right, I should be extremely specific in my replies, and be careful to include every possible conceivable qualifier to the argument at hand, so that trolls can't find something wrong in what you've said and berate you for it.

I should have said, no successful MMOs are.

AoC did have higher requirements, and thus was hard to run for many people, and often lagged and stuttered on even decent machines. It was poorly optimized, it's sales figures were also low http://news.softpedia.com/news/Age-o...ed-87430.shtml

If you don't know anything about the topic in hand, then why comment at all? All you do is seem to troll around these boards picking and choosing what you want to hear and manipulating people's words to create arguments. . If you don't know information about the game we are discussing, don't know about the engine, don't know how it's going to be optimized for many systems, then just go back to 4chan.

That's all that you seem to do here, is argue with people. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/opp...sorder/DS00630
I remember in the old Sandy Bridge threads, you would just come in there trolling, trying to start fights with people.
lol, millions sold is low? Low enough to spawn an expansions?

Im not arguing, just making sure people arent given out wrong information. you said no MMOs can push higher level hardware. Age of Conan does, in dx10 it is amazing. But you wouldnt know that, its just another mmo that you a self appointed mmo guru has not played.

i only argue with a few people, generally the ignorant ones, that means you.
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lol, millions sold is low? Low enough to spawn an expansions?

Im not arguing, just making sure people arent given out wrong information. you said no MMOs can push higher level hardware. Age of Conan does, in dx10 it is amazing. But you wouldnt know that, its just another mmo that you a self appointed mmo guru has not played.

i only argue with a few people, generally the ignorant ones, that means you.
Right, and like I corrected myself, I should have said that no successful MMOs push the hardware envelope. Simply because they wouldn't have as good of sales figures if they did. I had assumed that was implied in my previous remark, but I guess you didn't pick up on that too easily.

What figures exactly you are looking at for AoC sales numbers in terms of units sold (not shipped)? You throw out "millions" as some vague number. You could think it was 2 million, or 10 million for all I know. All the figures I've seen doesn't put it over 2m total. Which in this day and age isn't anything spectacular, especially for MMOs. And exactly how dramatically did their player base drop after launch when people realized they couldn't run the game smoothly? Hmm?

We're comparing apples to apples here, and you make it sound like I'm talking about grapefruit or something.


I'm not going to turn this thread into another flame fest, so unless you have something to discuss GW2 related, this is my last response to you in here. Feel free to continue with your off-topic, immature banter if you wish.
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I remember running AoC perfectly fine with my 8800 GTOC


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I remember running AoC perfectly fine with my 8800 GTOC


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Its backfat, just another tool that has no experience with the game at hand, just like rift. His experience with AOC is nothing but seeing internet posts. He hasnt played it, he didnt even know how many sales they had, or performance issues.
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you are right, just a horribly optimized game...............
Yes a horribly optimised game when it struggles to run on crossfired HD5770s. When ground features have horrible pop in, when you have to keep resetting the shadows setting to stop it from flickering (which is a well known issue), when it has stability issues in Khitan areas, and when the frame rate struggles to stay at a steady 30 FPS unless you put it on the PvP and Raid setting. I can go on.

And yes I have experience playing the game. I used to play on Crom with my Khitan Assassin. I stopped playing because of the performance issues.

Just because it can look good (and nothing there was best looking game ever material to be quite honest) that doesn't mean it's well optimised. Crysis looks good but even that is not that well optimised when at stock it takes high end hardware just to run at a decent setting. Crysis 2 at stock looks better and is better optimised than its predecessor.

Eve: Online looks and runs better (than AOC) in my opinion (at least it most certainly does for me anyway).
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Yes a horribly optimised game when it struggles to run on crossfired HD5770s. When ground features have horrible pop in, when you have to keep resetting the shadows setting to stop it from flickering (which is a well known issue), when it has stability issues in Khitan areas, and when the frame rate struggles to stay at a steady 30 FPS unless you put it on the PvP and Raid setting. I can go on.

And yes I have experience playing the game. I used to play on Crom with my Khitan Assassin. I stopped playing because of the performance issues.

Just because it can look good (and nothing there was best looking game ever material to be quite honest) that doesn't mean it's well optimised. Crysis looks good but even that is not that well optimised when at stock it takes high end hardware just to run at a decent setting. Crysis 2 at stock looks better and is better optimised than its predecessor.

Eve: Online looks and runs better (than AOC) in my opinion (at least it most certainly does for me anyway).
lawls. EVE huh. you really went there.

only performance issue i had with AOC was the original memory leak that was fixed, Performance issues are nonexistant for me with a 5870 dx10 with a few features turned off that i didnt like, 5770 sli isnt that powerful. So i understand why it had some trouble in khitai at 1080p.

anywho guild wars 2 is pretty impressive looking, not state of the art ground breaking but it has excellent art direction, and well done landscapes with good animations.

MMOs are a genre that becomes graphically dated quickly, as they have limited options in terms of polygons and performance. 1 of the reasons people claim AOC is poorly coded, they designed the engine to maintain its graphical fidelity over the years as equipment improves so does the graphical quality of the game, just because they allow you to tweak to the maximum in graphics, doesnt mean they expect everyone to do it.
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lawls. EVE huh. you really went there.
Yes, I really went there. Nope, you didn't imagine it. Game looks good and runs good for me. Only issue with that game I find is lag when there's massive battles going on, which is understandable considering the strain it puts on the server when you have thousands of people waging war in one sector. The new avatar updates are incredible.

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5770 sli isnt that powerful. So i understand why it had some trouble in khitai at 1080p.
Actually (other than it being Crossfire not SLI) at the time it was 1440x900, which makes it even worse. However considering I can run games like Crysis, Aliens vs Predator and Dragon Age 2 (high res texture pack) in DX11, Global Agenda, and AION (among other games) at pretty high to max settings you would think that running AOC would be a breeze on a pair of DX11 cards (or even one). It isn't so great looking a game that it deserves such high requirements (I've seen other games that look much better). Thus it is poorly optimised, especially when running on a system that easily meets its reccommended requirements.

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The fact that I had to turn the games graphical settings down to PvP and Raid to even make it playable at 1440x900 speaks volumes about its optimisation when played on a system that surpasses its reccommended requirements. Sure requirements adapt and change within a MMOs lifecycle, but we're talking about having to play on what's considered AOCs lowest standard graphical setting just to get reasonable performance. That is not good optimisation no matter how much you may like the game.
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Yes, I really went there. Nope, you didn't imagine it.



Actually at the time it was 1440x900, which makes it even worse. However considering I can run games like Crysis, Aliens vs Predator and Dragon Age 2 (high res texture pack) in DX11, Global Agenda, and AION (among other games) at pretty high to max settings you would think that running AOC would be a breeze. It isn't so great looking a game that it deserves such high requirements (I've seen other games that look much better). Thus it is poorly optimised, especially when running on a system that easily meets its reccommended requirements.
you really know very little about your games. The fact that you would actually mention DA2, is absolutely laughable. There is no realtime lighting in the game, the shadows cast are all fake. Performance can improve alot when there is no lighting being computed.

Also comparing a nonmmo game world being designed to an mmo environment also just proves how little thought you put into your post.
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you really know very little about your games. The fact that you would actually mention DA2, is absolutely laughable. There is no realtime lighting in the game, the shadows cast are all fake. Performance can improve alot when there is no lighting being computed.

Also comparing a nonmmo game world being designed to an mmo environment also just proves how little thought you put into your post.
I certainly wont claim to know the technical aspects of every single game out there, however the fact I was attempting to establish is that I am capable of displaying several games from multiple genres (which also includes other MMOs including newer ones like RIFT) at reasonably high settings yet I cannot even run AOC at medium settings without it crawling to an almost complete halt while playing on a system that is over it's stated reccommended requirements. Thus it is not well optimised, plain and simple. It doesn't get more simple than that.

Had you of put more thought into reading what I had actually posted instead of putting what seems to be the majority of your thought into an attempt to belittle me you might have actually seen this.

You think the MMO mechanics make that huge a difference to how well a game looks and runs? Tell that to Arenanet, they seem to have done an astounding job on Guild Wars 2 so far.

Anyhow I'm done talking to you, you're really rude and I don't have the time of day for people like you.

See ya.
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