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... I had heard that each of those Asus Mobo's recommended earlier had issues with 9xx's to the extent that you had to pay $5 S&H to Asus to get them to send you a new bios thingie to replace. If you didn't do that, it wouldn't post at all...

So, I wonder, has that issue been solved, so that you don't have to mess with all that crap now?

I am looking at the 920 right now, but am hesitent to pay $150 - $200 for a mobo, when I could go X2 and get a good mobo for only $80.

I am looking at something along the lines of a 920D, 2gb of decent ram, either a 7600GT or a 7900GT (prolly get EVGA and do step up), and SATAII HD.

The question, I supposes, is whether to go AMD or INTEL. Are the multipliers locked on the presler cores?

Also, why is the price going to drop on Presler, or 9xx's in general, on April 24th, is that the conroe release date or something?
You will pay more for the Intel motherboard, but less for the processor. If you are not concerned about SLI, definately go for a Pentium D 920. With good air cooling, you have yourself a FX60 slightly overclocked with a PD 920 and P5WD2-E combo. I would go with either Patriot or G.Skill DDR2-800 RAM. I have the Patriot and I am more than pleased running it at 3-3-3-4.

You will get much better prices if you wait until April 24th. Intel is cutting the 950 to about $300, so i would definately get a 950!
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Not sure how to do those fancy quotes, but, in regards to the gentlemen or lady who said, "they *should* work right out of the box, ASUS's website claims they support it."

Well, its *obviously* not a case of me asking if it supports something which it does not support...

It is a case of, "it supports" it, but in FACT, for many boards, if you put a 9xx proc in it, it will not even post, nothing. It wouldn't matter if you had a new bios to flash on there, the thing will not do *anything*. That is why, generally we in the business of wasting money on computer parts call this a "bug" or "defect". To fix it, ASUS would send you a replacement bios chip (for lack of a better term) that you would physically replace on the MB. Needless to say, that is a pain.

What I was wondering is whether this was only an issue in early production models, or if it is now resolved, and I can not have to worry about it.

In regards to Pauldovi...

Unless the DDR2 800 ram is actually better in production quality, why even bother getting higher. The FSB, that magical device through which ALL memory information flows is limited, practically, to far less. There is no way, save for some assinine phase-change cooling you are going to get an FSB up to 400mhz. I'd be skeptical of being able to cool things enough to get it over 300, though it does happen.

The point being, why not just save the money and get, at most DDR2 533 ram? I mean, that way, you have a memory bus of 266, with decent clock times, and its not actually larger than the FSB the Proc / MB are running at. It is Literally POINTLESS and gives no performance boost to have a faster memory speed than it does on the proc side of things.

Thus, save money, get better timings, etc, that is my idea. I mean, I want to OC my proc, but with a 14x multiplier on the 920, that is an impressive 3.7 Ghz on each core, not bad at all. Additionally, I won't have wasted output on the memory side of things.

I guess this all changes, quite a bit, if you can downclock the multiplier. They are locked upwards, but maybe not downwards? If this is the case, you can drop the multiplier to 10x, raise the FSB to 400mhz, and then get DDR2 800 ram, and in fact, this would allow the beauty of DDR2 (or its purported beauty) shine through (larger burst data rates).

Hmm, that is an Idea, I think. Also, there is little reason to get a 950 over a 920, unless there is something really awesome about the core in the 950, you can basically OC each to the same extent. Kept at the same temp, they will both function fine. That is to say, the instability comes in when the proc can't function under the heat. Anyway, yeah. Umm, so. The 950 can run at faster clocks using the HS+F at the factory, given the right cooling, it can do much better.

This is likely besides the point. You are all here for a reason, so I won't bother you with more lessons.

Anyway. yes.

If you have read this far, then I think you deserve to know that, I think I am going to go for the 920 in April, even if the mobo is more expensive, it seems worth it, or if nothing else as an experiment into the world of Intel...
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Whoops, double post.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
Not sure how to do those fancy quotes, but, in regards to the gentlemen or lady who said, "they *should* work right out of the box, ASUS's website claims they support it."

Well, its *obviously* not a case of me asking if it supports something which it does not support...

It is a case of, "it supports" it, but in FACT, for many boards, if you put a 9xx proc in it, it will not even post, nothing. It wouldn't matter if you had a new bios to flash on there, the thing will not do *anything*. That is why, generally we in the business of wasting money on computer parts call this a "bug" or "defect". To fix it, ASUS would send you a replacement bios chip (for lack of a better term) that you would physically replace on the MB. Needless to say, that is a pain.



I'm a he.


That must have been a problem with the older boards just when the 9xx series were new. I assure you, my 920 worked with my P5WD2 "out of the box". the P5LD2-VM I used to build a system for my sister had the BIOS version on it required to use the 9xx series. Her's was an extreme budget system, so I used a 511 CPU in it, but I have little doubt that had I put my 920 in it, it would have booted fine.

And no offense, but there are way to many people that don't check the websites to see what is and what isn't supported.
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ain't no thang but a chicken wang

I take your reasurrance to heart, and will now worry not when looking into these beasts.

TY.
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
Not sure how to do those fancy quotes, but, in regards to the gentlemen or lady who said, "they *should* work right out of the box, ASUS's website claims they support it."

Well, its *obviously* not a case of me asking if it supports something which it does not support...

It is a case of, "it supports" it, but in FACT, for many boards, if you put a 9xx proc in it, it will not even post, nothing. It wouldn't matter if you had a new bios to flash on there, the thing will not do *anything*. That is why, generally we in the business of wasting money on computer parts call this a "bug" or "defect". To fix it, ASUS would send you a replacement bios chip (for lack of a better term) that you would physically replace on the MB. Needless to say, that is a pain.

What I was wondering is whether this was only an issue in early production models, or if it is now resolved, and I can not have to worry about it.

In regards to Pauldovi...

Unless the DDR2 800 ram is actually better in production quality, why even bother getting higher. The FSB, that magical device through which ALL memory information flows is limited, practically, to far less. There is no way, save for some assinine phase-change cooling you are going to get an FSB up to 400mhz. I'd be skeptical of being able to cool things enough to get it over 300, though it does happen.

The point being, why not just save the money and get, at most DDR2 533 ram? I mean, that way, you have a memory bus of 266, with decent clock times, and its not actually larger than the FSB the Proc / MB are running at. It is Literally POINTLESS and gives no performance boost to have a faster memory speed than it does on the proc side of things.

Thus, save money, get better timings, etc, that is my idea. I mean, I want to OC my proc, but with a 14x multiplier on the 920, that is an impressive 3.7 Ghz on each core, not bad at all. Additionally, I won't have wasted output on the memory side of things.

I guess this all changes, quite a bit, if you can downclock the multiplier. They are locked upwards, but maybe not downwards? If this is the case, you can drop the multiplier to 10x, raise the FSB to 400mhz, and then get DDR2 800 ram, and in fact, this would allow the beauty of DDR2 (or its purported beauty) shine through (larger burst data rates).

Hmm, that is an Idea, I think. Also, there is little reason to get a 950 over a 920, unless there is something really awesome about the core in the 950, you can basically OC each to the same extent. Kept at the same temp, they will both function fine. That is to say, the instability comes in when the proc can't function under the heat. Anyway, yeah. Umm, so. The 950 can run at faster clocks using the HS+F at the factory, given the right cooling, it can do much better.

This is likely besides the point. You are all here for a reason, so I won't bother you with more lessons.

Anyway. yes.

If you have read this far, then I think you deserve to know that, I think I am going to go for the 920 in April, even if the mobo is more expensive, it seems worth it, or if nothing else as an experiment into the world of Intel...
Ok, about the RAM. Getting DDR2-800 does several things. I understand about RAM ratios and that you will never be able to run your FSB at 400Mhz. But having the 800Mhz RAM gives you headroom. By purchasing DDR2-800, and running it at lets say 600Mhz (300 x 14 = 4.2Ghz) you will be able to give it much tighter timings. I am running my DDR2-800 at 640Mhz and the timings are 3-3-3-4. That is the best possible timings for DDR2 memory.

Another thing that the DDR2-800 does is give you some upgrade room. If you decide to go to Conroe you are dealing with STOCK FSB of 266.5Mhz and 333.25Mhz. Purchasing DDR2-800 RAM now, means that when you upgrade your CPU to a Conroe you do not have to upgrade your RAM.

I am trying to look to the future here. I had DDR2-533, and I got rid of it because I knew that I was going to need at least DDR2-667 for my 920, but then I wanted RAM that was usable with a Conroe upgrade, so I went to DDR2-800.

About the multipliers, on standard Intel processors you cannot change the mutis. Only ES, EE, and XE models can change. ASUS has figured out a way to unlock some other processors, but they are 5XX and 6XX models.

About the motherboard. You want to get the P5WD2 series. Those WILL support the Presler out of the box. I recommend the P5WD2-E Premium, it is the overclocking beast. Also it should support Conroe. I also know that the ASUS P5LD2 supports the Smithfield processors.

About you processor selection. In April Intel is converting to the C1 revision of the Preslers. This revision is suppose to make the Presler more power efficinet. Anandtech compared the 955EE (3.47Ghz) on the B0 revision to a 965EE (3.77Ghz) on the C1 revision. It got about 10C lower temperatures even though it is 300Mhz higher clocked. Therefore you can deduce that all Preslers under the C1 revision should have a significant power and temperature advantage over B0 revisions. But, Intel is not converting the 920 to the C1, instead they are cancling production.



As you can see from this pricing chart. The 920 will be the same price as the 930. So the best CPU choice is the 930 with the C1 revision.

If you want to know the overclocking potention of the B0 920, here is mine on a P5WD2-E:



Intel is moving in the right direction. I think you are making a good choice in switching. The only reason I see to not switch is if you are a SLI person.
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Yeah, Im looking pretty hard at that 2.4 Conroe. only $300+ ? That seems like a steal given the STOMPING the 2.66 gave the Athlon FX in that closed benchmarking.

I'm pretty sure that I am going to wait for the CNR to come out, and worry about it then.

Ghh, im tired of slugging around on this bloody Athlon 2800+. Its not a horrible proc, its just that the mobo is junky, and Im on a 6600GT

W00t for being an idiot and getting suckered into 754
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Intel is moving in the right direction. I think you are making a good choice in switching. The only reason I see to not switch is if you are a SLI person.
Pauldovi,

Stupid question here as I've also never used Intel, but SLI, is that exclusively AMD?

Im planning on running SLI in my machine.
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Pauldovi,

Stupid question here as I've also never used Intel, but SLI, is that exclusively AMD?

Im planning on running SLI in my machine.
No, SLI is exclusively for Nvidia chipsets. These chipsets are used in Intel and AMD processors. Unfortionately Nvidia and Intel can't seem to agree on allowing Intel to use SLI with its chipsets. It is really a shame because the Intel Nvidia SLI chipsets are not the greatest. Rumor is that soon Nvidia and Intel will elope... and Intel chipsets will get SLI drivers. We can only hope.

But to answer your question, yes SLI works with AMD and Intel. It is more optimal for AMD though. Not on the graphics side of things, but on the overclockability of the processor.
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No, SLI is exclusively for Nvidia chipsets. These chipsets are used in Intel and AMD processors. Unfortionately Nvidia and Intel can't seem to agree on allowing Intel to use SLI with its chipsets. It is really a shame because the Intel Nvidia SLI chipsets are not the greatest. Rumor is that soon Nvidia and Intel will elope... and Intel chipsets will get SLI drivers. We can only hope.

But to answer your question, yes SLI works with AMD and Intel. It is more optimal for AMD though. Not on the graphics side of things, but on the overclockability of the processor.
DAmn that made things alot more complicated. Considering these new advances are coming out soon..I cant decide on Intel, AMD, budget or gusto...We all go through this!

These price breaks..Are you certain Intel is halving the prices on 9xx series? I might go for a 950 and try and break the 5ghz barrier if thats the case.
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