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As DeMS said, v-sync is a hack to try and solve an issue and it brings with it its own issues such as input lag, therefore if it's obvious that v-sync is causing this input lag (which it is) then this is nothing to do with the R.A.T. itself. As we know, some people are more sensitive to tearing than others: those that are sensitive to it are liable to also be sensitive to any input lag so it's going to be a trade off between whether you have input lag or tearing but I hope we can all agree that this isn't something caused by the R.A.T., yes?

I didn't say it was caused by the RAT, I just said V-Sync is not causing the problem, because if it was then everyone who used V-Sync with the RAT would have the same problem. Since we don't, it's pretty obvious the cause is not V-Sync.

Note: By "the problem", I'm referring to the variable lag he was getting. That is the symptom. Disabling V-Sync may stop it from occurring, but as I mentioned above, I doubt it is the cause or everyone would be getting the same variable lag. Also, since the variable lag does not show up in every game with V-Sync enabled, then it can't be V-Sync causing it. Perhaps some poor programming somewhere is not taking V-Sync into account, but that doesn't make it V-Syncs fault.

Tearing creates a horizontal line across the display, and in poorly written games you can end up with multiple lines and it's almost impossible to ignore (at least it is to me). As for the lag, maybe it's there and I never noticed it. If it is, it's never made any difference to me. "A difference that makes no difference is no difference". One thing is for sure though, if I was getting variable lag on my mouse, I would notice that for sure. Since I always use V-Sync, isn't it odd that I don't experience this issue? None of my friends have experienced it that I know of either.

So, unless there's a spook haunting some computers, I think there's something else going on in this particular case. Disabling V-Sync may be a temporary reprieve, but I don't think it's an overall solution.
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Also, since the variable lag does not show up in every game with V-Sync enabled, then it can't be V-Sync causing it. Perhaps some poor programming somewhere is not taking V-Sync into account, but that doesn't make it V-Syncs fault.

Well it would help to know the exact games that he's having the issue in, but it would make total sense that it happens in some games and not in others. Some games are more demanding than others and therefore you're going to end up with differences in rendering performance which, when v-sync is activated, can result in input lag, variable or otherwise. The variable part is also easy to explain because I can guarantee that he's not running his games at a steady 60 FPS 100% of the time.

Anyway, DeMS provided some good links for possible workarounds so let us know how you get on BradleyW.
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Hey just saw this thread of other R.A.T owners and thought I would share the software I've made!

Cyborg Auto-Profiler.

It's a really convenient tool for swapping your profile when detecting a process or your current active window!

Supports:
Cyborg Mouse M.M.O 7
Cyborg Mouse R.A.T. 7.
Cyborg Mouse R.A.T. 9.
Cyborg Keyboard V.7

Technically it should work for any of the Cyborg products that use the Saitek SST Programmer.




If any of you are interested in it heres some links where to find more info!

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1698463

Here is the download if interested!

https://hotfile.com/dl/164553265/a03110e/Cyborg_Auto-Profiler_2.3.1.zip.html

or

http://www.freewarefiles.com/Cyborg-Auto-Profiler_program_77640.html

I would love feedback from the community! My gift to fellow R.A.T and Cyborg product Owners!
Edited by Danny350 - 7/26/12 at 8:16am
post #2154 of 3818
Hi there

First of all, Sorry for my english. Im from central europe.

Im having problem with my R.A.T. 7 contagion. My mouse pad is Razer Megasoma(as I read, mouse dont like black and soft pads). Problem is, that Im having troubles with cursor. Mouse itself is going well, not freezing everything is good, ONLY cursor sometimes moves, as he wants. For example - im playing Half-Life - im going to shot someone, aiming him for head and my cursor just goes crazy and itself will aim for sky (for example) ... and when I can fix it, im dead.... and its happening in every game, in windows too... I dont know what to do... Ive tryied even to clean my laser... can it be the mouse pad? or mouse itself?

Mouse DPI is 1275 , windows sensitivity is 6 and Enhance Pointer Precision is turned on... Im dissapoined and dont know what to do... thank you for an kind of help
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Hi there
First of all, Sorry for my english. Im from central europe.
Im having problem with my R.A.T. 7 contagion. My mouse pad is Razer Megasoma(as I read, mouse dont like black and soft pads). Problem is, that Im having troubles with cursor. Mouse itself is going well, not freezing everything is good, ONLY cursor sometimes moves, as he wants. For example - im playing Half-Life - im going to shot someone, aiming him for head and my cursor just goes crazy and itself will aim for sky (for example) ... and when I can fix it, im dead.... and its happening in every game, in windows too... I dont know what to do... Ive tryied even to clean my laser... can it be the mouse pad? or mouse itself?
Mouse DPI is 1275 , windows sensitivity is 6 and Enhance Pointer Precision is turned on... Im dissapoined and dont know what to do... thank you for an kind of help


Some mousepads just don't work well. Try a hard surface. thumb.gif

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Wich hard surface will you recommend for me, please? Megasoma is supposed to be hybrid (hard mouse pad with feeling of soft). Thank you smile.gif
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Wich hard surface will you recommend for me, please? Megasoma is supposed to be hybrid (hard mouse pad with feeling of soft). Thank you smile.gif


Just for testing try out the bare wood or whatever of your desk. If that doesn't work, It may not be the surface but the mouse.

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Thank you very much for that information. I will try to game with and without mouse pad... will see how it work (now Im at work, so when I came home I will try...) if someone have ANY idea, please answer here... Im really dissapointed (I bought it 2 days ago )
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Thank you very much for that information. I will try to game with and without mouse pad... will see how it work (now Im at work, so when I came home I will try...) if someone have ANY idea, please answer here... Im really dissapointed (I bought it 2 days ago )
It's a tricky one, for me my Contagion seems fine on a Steelseries Qck+ which is black cloth. The only hard pad I have is an Icemat which it doesn't like very much.
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just trying that mouse... Megasoma failed, so Now im trying it on my desk withou pad... will see how it works... and if no, then I will buy SS QcK... its pretty cheap tho smile.gif if will not work good for me, then I will go with SS Sensei I suppose... smile.gif
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