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Try a lower polling rate. It will likely help your issue.

Hi mate, There is no option in the drivers to adjust this feature.
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Ouch and I doubt Madcatz has internal software dev.

You could try forcing it via external patch to tell windows to ignore the 1000hz default rate of the microcontroller.

Read through this and do every step carefully if you want to give it a shot. I would attempt patching at 125hz if your mouse is detected.

http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html
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Ouch and I doubt Madcatz has internal software dev.
You could try forcing it via external patch to tell windows to ignore the 1000hz default rate of the microcontroller.
Read through this and do every step carefully if you want to give it a shot. I would attempt patching at 125hz if your mouse is detected.
http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html

Can the changes be undone?
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post #2134 of 2877
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Can the changes be undone?

Yes, they can.

All of them should be able to be reversed.

Mind though, that with some OS it can be hard to make it work.
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I will look into it. Cheers.
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post #2136 of 2877
Well, most importantly, if you disable V-sync, does the problem still occur?

We do have internal software dev at Mad Catz but you won't be able to affect the polling rate of the mouse as it's behaviour is locked in hardware. Let us know if disabling v-sync helps at all.
post #2137 of 2877
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Well, most importantly, if you disable V-sync, does the problem still occur?
We do have internal software dev at Mad Catz but you won't be able to affect the polling rate of the mouse as it's behaviour is locked in hardware. Let us know if disabling v-sync helps at all.

The input variation does not presist when vsync is disabled, but I only use Vsync.
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Really, what's with "disable a feature on your computer to get our hardware to work"?

Personally, I'm not having any problems with V-Sync, but I really hate it when a hardware vendor says to disable a feature on my computer to get their hardware to work. My answer is always "I think I'll just return your hardware and use someone else's hardware". V-Sync is there to eliminate tearing. Tearing in some games is really bad and those games must be played with v-sync on. I appreciate that this may just be a troubleshooting step, but manufacturers can't seriously expect gamers to drop v-sync just to use their hardware.

Having said that, V-Sync doesn't cause any problems on my computer, even with the RAT. So, perhaps the answer is somewhere else. If you're part of a small minority having this issue, then I would look elsewhere for the cause. I hate to say it, but some of the hardware on my computer didn't function properly until I had reinstalled Windows a couple of times. Even something like the order that resident software loads in can affect how some of it works. This is a pretty crappy problem to troubleshoot so I can sympathize with you for sure.
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post #2139 of 2877
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Really, what's with "disable a feature on your computer to get our hardware to work"?
Personally, I'm not having any problems with V-Sync, but I really hate it when a hardware vendor says to disable a feature on my computer to get their hardware to work. My answer is always "I think I'll just return your hardware and use someone else's hardware". V-Sync is there to eliminate tearing. Tearing in some games is really bad and those games must be played with v-sync on. I appreciate that this may just be a troubleshooting step, but manufacturers can't seriously expect gamers to drop v-sync just to use their hardware.
Having said that, V-Sync doesn't cause any problems on my computer, even with the RAT. So, perhaps the answer is somewhere else. If you're part of a small minority having this issue, then I would look elsewhere for the cause. I hate to say it, but some of the hardware on my computer didn't function properly until I had reinstalled Windows a couple of times. Even something like the order that resident software loads in can affect how some of it works. This is a pretty crappy problem to troubleshoot so I can sympathize with you for sure.

Save your rant for some other case.

It's very simple here :
In most engines, V-Sync causes input lag.
You disable V-Sync, and input lag is gone.

That happens with EVERY mouse brand.

It's just that Mad Catz/Razer/Logitech/Roccat/Zowie/Omgheadshot can do nothing about it because it's the way V-Sync works, and the way game engines are built.



Having said that, he should look into a way to resolve this, because it's his system config that makes the input lag, not the mouse.

I suggest checking if triple buffer is enabled, and check the value of frames to render ahead.
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Save your rant for some other case.
It's very simple here :
In most engines, V-Sync causes input lag.
You disable V-Sync, and input lag is gone.
That happens with EVERY mouse brand.
It's just that Mad Catz/Razer/Logitech/Roccat/Zowie/Omgheadshot can do nothing about it because it's the way V-Sync works, and the way game engines are built.
Having said that, he should look into a way to resolve this, because it's his system config that makes the input lag, not the mouse.
I suggest checking if triple buffer is enabled, and check the value of frames to render ahead.

His rant is not far off from the truth! Also, we all understand that Vsync causes input lag. everybody knows this and we all understand this. the argument here is that the lag variation increases/decreases and is not consistant. That is the issue here.
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