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Originally Posted by EvoBeardy;14390966 
Firstly, I'd like to give my appreciation in giving us a great little review of theese coolers that we know so little about.
Thank you. smile.gif

Secondly, I'd like to say I hate you. biggrin.gif

I asked my mate (who's currently in Honk Kong), to see if he can find any of them there, and grab me one.

And when I looked at the pics of it, and saw the fans, I immediately thought to myself; "I'm replacing those sucka's with some downblowing 25mm thick jobbies".
I reckon downblowing, thicker fans will do much better, that orientation is very similar to the original Setsugen, then they went back to downblowing, as it seems to do a better job with overall cooling for Graphics Cards.

They're 12mm thick right? 100mm or 92mm?

I mounted a couple of 100x25mm 2000RPM Kaze Jyu's on my Musashi, replacing the 100x12mm Slipstreams it came with, 58CFM each, nice.

They look the part though, definitely.

They designed this cooler and fan direction for a specific purpose. It's the worlds's first Base>Fan>Fin cooler, see the diagram below (Fan>Fin>Block) All I know is that this cooler doesn't allow the video card to heat up like it did when it had the stock fan and shroud and that is what's important to me. Plus, it looks really great and fits like...it was made for this card and this card only (which it clearly states on the front of the box, LOL). All those other coolers are like...universal. They really put some great thought and work into this cooler, except the thermal grease is lack-luster. The installation was super easy and only took a couple minutes (once you removed the old GPU heatsink). .

I don't know the size of the fan, maybe it's listed below in the specs. Myself, I'm going to replace my 200mm fan on the case cover with four 120mm fans. This will provide better/additional cooling right on the video cards. Plus, I have this idea regarding placing a container of ice packs next to the inlet fans so it sucks in the cool air right into the case.

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Originally Posted by BishopLord;14392094 
They designed this cooler and fan direction for a specific purpose. It's the worlds's first Base>Fan>Fin cooler, see the diagram below (Fan>Fin>Block) All I know is that this cooler doesn't allow the video card to heat up like it did when it had the stock fan and shroud and that is what's important to me. Plus, it looks really great and fits like...it was made for this card and this card only (which it clearly states on the front of the box, LOL). All those other coolers are like...universal. They really put some great thought and work into this cooler, except the thermal grease is lack-luster. The installation was super easy and only took a couple minutes (once you removed the old GPU heatsink). .

I don't know the size of the fan, maybe it's listed below in the specs. Myself, I'm going to replace my 200mm fan on the case cover with four 120mm fans. This will provide better/additional cooling right on the video cards. Plus, I have this idea regarding placing a container of ice packs next to the inlet fans so it sucks in the cool air right into the case.

Nice detailed specs there, thanks. smile.gif

The Original Setsugen did that in the beginning of 2010:- http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/vga-cooler/setsugen.html
It was the successor to the Musashi, but they went back to downblowing types after this, there wasn't much hype about it unfortunately.

I'm a fan of rigging bigger and better fans on things, wanted to rid the under-style fan on the Setsugen and plonk a Slipstream 1900RPM ontop instead.
Obviously I'd love a cooler that was fantastic and at it's max potential, but if you can do something to make it better, why not? smile.gif

They make them so they can fit within Two Slots still, but that aint a concern for me, I'd prefer customization and a Triple-Slot Card, if it becomes more effective than it's original design that was meant to stay within standards. tongue.gif

I really wish I could get that cooler though, like to said, it's a perfect fit, it was designed for these cards and it looks the part. biggrin.gif

Shame it's not more widely available, this would've been a good seller I imagine.
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Nice detailed specs there, thanks. smile.gif

The Original Setsugen did that in the beginning of 2010:- http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/vga-cooler/setsugen.html
It was the successor to the Musashi, but they went back to downblowing types after this, there wasn't much hype about it unfortunately.

I'm a fan of rigging bigger and better fans on things, wanted to rid the under-style fan on the Setsugen and plonk a Slipstream 1900RPM ontop instead.
Obviously I'd love a cooler that was fantastic and at it's max potential, but if you can do something to make it better, why not? smile.gif

They make them so they can fit within Two Slots still, but that aint a concern for me, I'd prefer customization and a Triple-Slot Card, if it becomes more effective than it's original design that was meant to stay within standards. tongue.gif

I really wish I could get that cooler though, like to said, it's a perfect fit, it was designed for these cards and it looks the part. biggrin.gif

Shame it's not more widely available, this would've been a good seller I imagine.

You know, I was just about to pull the trigger on the Setsugen 2. I had it in the shopping cart and everyting, but something about how the copper pipes go off to the side... this bugged me. I was afraid it wasn't going to fit and I didn't want to pay $40 (Directron.com) to find out, or actually $80 because I needed two. Anyhow, I went back to this thread, read through the list of coolers the OP made and seen and "update" on July 14th. Did a Google search and Newegg had them. I'm surprised no one else jumped on it (they probably did and aren't saying anything. I can't believe Newegg only stocked 2 of these coolers).

Anyhow, yeah, I know about the original Setsugen. I've done a lot of research into what will work on the GTX 460 and found this article dissin' the original Setsugen - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/scythe-setsugen-2.html
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Almost a year ago we reviewed Scythe Setsugen cooler, which turned out not a great success, so to speak. That was probably one of the reasons why it had been discontinued so rapidly.

Well, good luck in your quest to find one of these coolers. If I find any info, I'll post it here.

Edit -

Here's a list of ZEROtherm distributors in the UK:

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Hey Bishop!

Thanks for the very helpful links to UK sources, we definitely need more places to source out stuff!

Crossing my fingers that the zerotherm coolmax 4000 gets re-stocked again...
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You're welcome. Not to be a dick, but you guys do use Google, right? I found all that info from the ZEROtherm website when I Googled "ZEROtherm".

BTW, I was wrong about not being able to control the fan speed via Afterburner; You can. I just didn't press the "apply" button after adjusting the fan speed. I thought I heard the fan spin faster when I was making adjustments in Afterburner. It now tops out at 2730 RPM's.

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And I replaced the thermal grease with a combo of Noctua Pentium Grade compound and Arctic Silver 5. I ran out of Noctua before I could cover the GPU. At least the temp is more staple and has dropped out of the 40+ degree mark at idle.
    
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BishopLord, thanks for the great info. If it's not too much to ask, what are your ambient temps?

Never thought that temperature would be such a problem with the palits. Stock heatsink on the plain Sonic is totally crap.

Right now I got two Sonic (non oc) 1GB cards just waiting to be paired, but I'm not so sure now. I "pulled the trigger" a few weeks ago because I was tempted by the price. The difference was about 45 dollars apiece, in favor of the palit, compared to the msi cyclone or the gigabyte soc models.

At this point aftermarket cooling is out of the question for me. An Icy Vision here in Bulgaria costs more than 60 US dollars, an AC model if it were to fit, would cost me even more. Two of these would practically buy me a third card.

After reading the last 4 pages, and contemplating on my situation, I'm pretty sure that never again would I make the same compromise. Just pay the premium for better cooling.

Just for reference. Single Palit 460 1GB, with 800 Mhz overclock on the core (987 mv), and stock memory frequency, in a CM 690 II with a 1200 mm side case fan sits at 34 degrees C in idle. Burning with Furmark brings it to 81-82ish. In games, depending on settings and game itself, it varies between 70 and 75 degrees C. The ambient varies between 20 to 31-32 throughout the whole day (don't have AC).
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BishopLord, thanks for the great info. If it's not too much to ask, what are your ambient temps?

Never thought that temperature would be such a problem with the palits. Stock heatsink on the plain Sonic is totally crap.

Right now I got two Sonic (non oc) 1GB cards just waiting to be paired, but I'm not so sure now. I "pulled the trigger" a few weeks ago because I was tempted by the price. The difference was about 45 dollars apiece, in favor of the palit, compared to the msi cyclone or the gigabyte soc models.

At this point aftermarket cooling is out of the question for me. An Icy Vision here in Bulgaria costs more than 60 US dollars, an AC model if it were to fit, would cost me even more. Two of these would practically buy me a third card.

After reading the last 4 pages, and contemplating on my situation, I'm pretty sure that never again would I make the same compromise. Just pay the premium for better cooling.

Just for reference. Single Palit 460 1GB, with 800 Mhz overclock on the core (987 mv), and stock memory frequency, in a CM 690 II with a 1200 mm side case fan sits at 34 degrees C in idle. Burning with Furmark brings it to 81-82ish. In games, depending on settings and game itself, it varies between 70 and 75 degrees C. The ambient varies between 20 to 31-32 throughout the whole day (don't have AC).

After the room has cooled a bit when I turn the AC on, it's usually about 77 to 80 degrees (Fahrenheit) and the GPU's will idle at 32 Celsius. However, even under the most stressful REALWORLD usage, they don't get higher than 60 degrees Celsius. i never use those burn in stress tests as they're not realistic to me. i just test mine converting a video. when I first got these cards I had a q9300 CPU and it would take several hours to complete a conversion. i thought that was comparable to those stress test in a way. But now with the 2600k, this conversion on takes minutes.

When T get home from work and enter the room, turn on the AC and then the computer, the room temp is always over 90 degrees. Thankfully we haven't had any days over 100 degrees over here otherwise i would need to run the AC during the day when i wasn't home. I did that last month and got a energy bill for $195! and that was for June-July. I still have July-August and just-September to go. I have two AC units and the house is a 1 1/2 story. The computer is in the top section of the house where i converted it in to a theater room. http://bishoplord.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/100_0082.jpg

If money and not being able to find the ZEROtherm is an issue, i would strongly suggest replacing the stock palit's thermal grease with Arctic Silver 5, some vrm and memory heatsinks and getting a really good 2000 RPM case fan and strapping it to the card. It's not the prettiest but it'll work almost as well as the ZEROtherm. You're going to need the heatsinks anyway and replace the thermal grease. The only thing missing is a proper GPU heatsink. The only difference in temps will be about 5 degrees at the high end. Low end should be close if not the same (mine was before ZEROtherm). 65 degrees Celsius top is far better than 75, 80, 90+ I was getting with stock.

The Palits are good cards. They just have crappy coolers. They are perfect for cases with limited space. They have great overclocking potential and out the box they are faster than most other brand 460's. The Platinum version (@800Mhz clock stock) is kind of moot now because when I use Afterburner, I have both cards synced and they both run at 875Mhz to 895Mhz now. I bought them because the reference cards were too long for my HTPC case and the price was really good. Here it is 8 months after I bought them and I the price hasn't went down (for the Sonic non OC'd version).. But to be honest, I never heard of reference and non reference until I found this thread a couple months ago.
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OK, room temp is 76 degrees Fahrenheit and I set the fans to 100% to see how cool the GPU's could get. Here's the results:

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At start up, they didn't go any lower than 32 and 34 Celsius. As I was opening the screen capture app and this and that, the temps went up to almost 40, so I turned on Afterburner so I could access the FAN control and get the temps back down to when I first turned the computer on (idle). I ran them at 100% Fan for a couple minutes before taking the screen shot, but they never went lower than what I captured. (As I'm typing now, I can see the temps in the GPU Gadget shows a temp of 31 Celsius for both - actually the other one is fluctuating at 32 and 31 and I have reset Afterburner. The fans are at 40% now). I believe one is hotter than the other because I used different CPU thermal compounds on them...well, GPU1 is a combo of both as I ran out of the stuff when I was applying it, so I had to finish it up with Arctic Silver 5, LOL.
    
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If money and not being able to find the ZEROtherm is an issue...

The Palits are good cards. They just have crappy coolers. They are perfect for cases with limited space. They have great overclocking potential and out the box they are faster than most other brand 460's.

Money is not the problem, well... not entirely at least. I meant that it would have been more practical for me to go for two of the more expensive cards with better cooling solutions. Not only it would have been cheaper than buying an extra set of coolers, but it would have been less of a hassle, less worries, lower temps...

None the less I'm happy with the performance of the Palits. Like you said they're good cards, and you can't beat the price. Come autumn I'd give the SLI a go and see how that works.

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Anyhow, yeah, I know about the original Setsugen. I've done a lot of research into what will work on the GTX 460 and found this article dissin' the original Setsugen - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/scythe-setsugen-2.html
The Setsugen 2 really isnt sufficient for a 570, they should have tested it with a 460 or 560 too.
I've been using one on my Gainward 460 for quite a few months now and I still love it.
In regular games it never really hits above 60c, and ~70c in Furmark.
That's with a cheap-ass coolermaster fan at 1200 rpm.
I must say those coolers you've got look very nice! I may have missed it, but where do they max at furmark?
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