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hello all... I'm a complete newb here... so please don't flame me right out of the gate... this is my first venture into overclocking and have been reading this site for about 2 months before I upgraded my cpu...

well... I had one of the original Celeron 1.6's... (did it's job)... but I just bought the Prescott 3Eghz skt 478... here's my modest setup...

Prescott 3E - Stock HSF w/ Arctic Silver 5
Asus P4P800E-Deluxe
Asus Radeon 9250 256mb
MGE XG Vigor 500w
1gig Kingston PC3200
Asus Vento (80mm intake x2 / 120mm exhaust)

well... here's the thing... as I've said... I'm completely new to this and even with all the reading that I have done... it's hard to assess where I am and what the limitations of my setup are... I loaded Asus AI Booster and gradually stepped up to 15% OC leaving me with the following spec's...


p.s. this screen shot was taken after this unit had been running for about 18 hours.

My first and most important question would have to be if I am safe with where I am (ie temp/voltages)? Are these accurate numbers or should I be using another program(s) to properly benchmark my system? I am looking into a cpu cooling solution but wanted your expert opinions to make an educated decision on the cooling solution to fill the gap between where I am currently to where I would like to be (4ghz if conceivably possible - and can my system handle that.)

I really appreciate any and all opinions and instruction...
thanks in advance...

-soulchild
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Excellent Joob there soulchild. Very impressive for a first time and glad that you red first on how to.
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Overclocking through Windows applications will not guarantee you a stable overclock. I suggest you read this thread:

http://www.overclock.net/overclock.p...uide-intel.htm
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Thank you both for the quick responses... Amped... Thank you for the documentation. I know (from reading site) that Bios is how to OC, not Windows, however at the time I merely wanted a simple way to test my system for a "General" idea of what she was capable of. Other than what the phrase meant, I hadn't the slightest inclination of what OverClocking entailed.

I have seen some others who have my board and cpu and are using zalman 7000 & 7700's or BT's... I'm leaning towards the BT but not sure if it will fit in my Vento. I am putting off pushing the limits of my system until I get a solid cpu cooler.

Is my system safe with the temperatures and voltages displayed in AI Booster until I get a proper cpu cooler / heat spreaders? or should I just put it back until I get them and not risk it?

Again,
I appreciate your insight(s)...

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I just ordered the TTBT and the Zalman 700 vga cooler & a couple of copper heat spreaders from newegg... updates to follow...
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I see the CPU is barely using any resource because Backup Wizard only stresses much on harddrive. Therefore, using backup wizard to test stability is not ideal. Trying running Prime95 or something like that.
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1.42V on the Vcore is probably about as much as you want. 1.5V is typically where you want to WC your system. I agree with Shajbot, though, in that you should use a program like Prime95 or Burn-in (http://users.bigpond.net.au/cpuburn/) to really see what your temps do. The 478 Prescotts run much hotter than their 775 counterparts, so I would definitely be watching those temps. I prefer burnin because it really uses both cores (hyperthreading 'core').

Still, 3.6 is a nice OC, anything over 10% is pretty solid, I think. Nice job and just make sure its stable and you should see a nice boost in performance
    
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This will help you with your BIOS settings and make them a bit less daunting.

Main:
  • IDE Configuration (Disregard these settings if you have RAID running)
  • Onboard IDE Operate Mode: Enhanced Mode
  • Enhanced Mode Support On: S-ATA
  • Configure S-ATA as RAID: No
  • IDE Detect Time Out: 35
  • Primary HD (If you don't run a RAID)
  • Everything is at Auto except..
  • SMART Monitoring: Disabled
  • 32Bit Transfer: Disabled

Advanced:

  • JumperFree Configuration
  • AI Overclock Tuner: Manual
  • CPU External Frequency (Mhz): 240 (This is where you will raise the fsb)
  • DRAM Frequency: 266 (Forces pc2100 and will exclude the dram from the overclock, you will get to this after you find your successful overclock)
  • AGP/PCI Frequency: 66.6/33.3
  • CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.40 ( Try 1.35V and raise if necessary. Prime95 will show if you need to raise the Vcore.
  • DDR Reference Voltage: Auto (Leave at "Auto" for now. When you have your overclock you can then use this to help tweak your DRAM
  • AGP VDDQ Voltage: 1.50V (This is default. I suggest you leave this at default)
  • Performance Mode: Auto (After you have defined your CPU and Dram speed, you can test this by setting it to "Turbo")

CPU Configuration:
  • CPUID Maximum Value Limit: Disabled (Default)
  • Hyper Threading Technology: Enabled (For your HT Prescott)

Chipset:
  • Configure DRAM Timing by SPD: Enabled
  • Memory Acceleration Mode: Enabled (MAM=PAT)
  • DRAM Idle Times: 16T
  • DRAM Refresh Rate: 15.6uSec
  • Graphics Adapter Priority: AGP/PCI
  • Graphics Adapter Size: 128 (For Your 9250 if it is 128MB, Set to 64MB if you have 256MB)
  • Spread Spectrum: Disabled (Make certain you disable this)
  • MPS Revision: 1.4

Onboard Devices Configuration: (All my serial, parallel ports are disabled as I do not make use of them)
  • Onboard AC'97 Audio: Auto (Disable if you use a PCI sound card)
  • Onboard LAN: Enabled (Disable if you use a PCI NIC)
  • Onboard LAN Boot ROM: Disabled
  • Onboard Floppy Controller: Enabled (Disable if you do not use a floppy)

PCIPnP:
  • Plug And Play O/S: No (Only set this to Yes when Installing your OS)
  • PCI Latency Timer: Leave at Default
  • Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA: Yes (This is important)
  • Palette Snooping: Disabled
  • PCI IDE BusMaster: Enabled

USB Configuration:
  • USB Function: (Set this to how many USB ports you actually use)
  • Legacy USB Support: Disabled (Unless you use a USB Keyboard/Mouse)
  • USB 2.0 Controller: Enabled
  • Instant Music Configuration: Disabled

Power:
  • Suspend Mode: Auto
  • Repost Video on S3 Resume: No (Unless your Video is garbled when coming out of standby)
  • ACPI 2.0 Support: No
  • ACPI APIC Support: Enabled
  • Bios->AML ACPI Table: Enabled

APM Configuration:
  • Power Management/APM: Disabled
  • Power Button Mode: On/Off
  • Restore on AC PowerLoss: Power Off
  • Everything else under here is disabled by default
  • Hardware Monitor (Take note of your temps and voltages)
  • Q-Fan Control: Disabled (If you use a Cooling Device that does not make use of this feature, Enabled if you use the stock fan/heatsink assembly)

Boot:
  • Boot Settings Configuration
  • Quick Boot: Enabled
  • Full Screen Logo: Disabled
  • Add On ROM Display Mode: Force BIOS
  • Bootup Num-Lock: On
  • PS/2 Mouse Support: Disabled (Enable if you use a PS2 mouse)
  • Typmatic Rate: Fast
  • Boot to OS/2: No
  • Wait For "F1" If Error: Enabled
  • Hit "DEL" Message Display: Enabled

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I'm posessed... 6 hours... lol... and i'm still on stock cooling... this is hilarious... ok... I started out with the bios configuration that Ropey gave me... now I'm following the tutorial from Amped's post @ http://www.overclock.net/overclock.p...uide-intel.htm and I started upping the External Frequency from 240 that Ropey suggested... and I kept upping it until it froze... then I began upping the vCore 1 step at a time until it booted into where the FSB setting halted... once that booted successfully... I again upped the FSB frequency until it stopped booting... then again... upped the vCore voltage... do I keep doing this until I reach close to the 1.525 point? The last setting I have in the bios before 1.5 is 1.4875 which is where I was going to stop.

Also... when do I begin to loosen the RAM's timing and/or lower the RAM's speed... right now I haven't touched it... it's still at the originating 266mhz mark that Ropey suggested as a starting point...

am I doing this correctly or should I have already been factoring in the RAM settings once I halted? or do I just keep doing with the FSB/vCore toggling until I can't go anymore before messing with the RAM settings?... I know that there is a ton to learn here, plus I still haven't touched the vAGP (if I even have to)... don't have a great video card so I don't think it can do much...

Also, and probably most importantly, I know I have to benchmark these settings with Prime95 etc. once I get my cooling stuff this week... but I was just assuming that these trial and error's would let me know my limitations and then the cooling would be to sustain them (proven by benchmarking when that time comes)...

Am I on track here?... sorry for so many questions... I'm just a perfectionist... and I'm so hooked...

Thanks a million...

-soulchild (an overclocker for life)...
in training that is...
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Originally Posted by soulchild
do I keep doing this until I reach close to the 1.525 point? The last setting I have in the bios before 1.5 is 1.4875 which is where I was going to stop.
I would personally stop at 1.45V and for me that is a maximum. Of course if you have the cooling that allows you ~50C full load with Prime95 for ~8 hours then 1.45V is enough if you wish to take it that high. I wouldn't but I am a careful sort. You need to download CPU-Z to find out the revision number of your processor. It is a 3.0E but there are a few revisions and some are better on the voltage and overclock than others.

Download CPU-z from here:

http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-133.zip
Download Prime95 from here:

http://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v2414.exe
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Also... when do I begin to loosen the RAM's timing and/or lower the RAM's speed... right now I haven't touched it... it's still at the originating 266mhz mark that Ropey suggested as a starting point...
I would leave the DRAM alone until you find your sweet spot with regards to your overclock. There is a point of diminising returns where the amount of voltage you need to gain a few MHz FSB incemements is a delimiting factor.

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Also, and probably most importantly, I know I have to benchmark these settings with Prime95 etc. once I get my cooling stuff this week... but I was just assuming that these trial and error's would let me know my limitations and then the cooling would be to sustain them (proven by benchmarking when that time comes).
You need the cooling to test the stability. What you are doing now will help you see where you stand. Document your moves and then set to default whilst you await cooling is my advice. Be certain that you follow the proper method of installing the heatsink/fan assembly and thermal silver. Arctic Silver 5+ is a very good one to use.

Follow these instructions:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_s...tions_big2.htm

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