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No, no, RAID 0 works pretty damned well actually when using SATA II instead of SATA III. The Crucial C300s work amazingly when used in the SATA II ports. They're backwards compatible with SATA II. They just don't work almost at all when used in the SATA III ports, let alone RAID which wasn't even an option in the RAID setup.

I already had sniffed out a bit about the SATA III issues with this board, and couldn't get a consensus on whether RAID was possible while using SATA III with the Crucials. However, I went with the C300s anyway on the hopes that a driver will improve things, or at the very least have a future proof option for future board with a better native SATA III support or a standalone controller.
I almost bit on the C300's using the very same reasoning, however I'm now starting to lean toward the idea of getting two SandForce 1222 controlled SATA II drives instead.

My reasoning is this: When using the SATA II ports on this MB in RAID 0 the SandForce drives are actually faster than the C300's today. Plus they are about $125 cheaper. As far as future proofing is concerned, it seems unlikely that a driver update from Marvell will fix all the issues. More than likely a new chipset (probably from Intel) will be needed to take full advantage of SATA III. In addition the C300's themselves don't yet take full advantage of the SATA III speed. The next generation SandForce controllers are rumored to get closer to the 600 MB/s theoretical maximum of the bus. In other words it would take a full MB upgrade to do a good SATA III RAID 0 setup, and by that time much better SSD controller chips and much cheaper GB/$ ratio drives will be available.

What does everyone else think? Splurge on the C300's today or go with the trusty SandForce drives instead?
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I almost bit on the C300's using the very same reasoning, however I'm now starting to lean toward the idea of getting two SandForce 1222 controlled SATA II drives instead.

My reasoning is this: When using the SATA II ports on this MB in RAID 0 the SandForce drives are actually faster than the C300's today. Plus they are about $125 cheaper. As far as future proofing is concerned, it seems unlikely that a driver update from Marvell will fix all the issues. More than likely a new chipset (probably from Intel) will be needed to take full advantage of SATA III. In addition the C300's themselves don't yet take full advantage of the SATA III speed. The next generation SandForce controllers are rumored to get closer to the 600 MB/s theoretical maximum of the bus. In other words it would take a full MB upgrade to do a good SATA III RAID 0 setup, and by that time much better SSD controller chips and much cheaper GB/$ ratio drives will be available.

What does everyone else think? Splurge on the C300's today or go with the trusty SandForce drives instead?
True indeed. I considered Sandforce drives as well initially, but I guess I was mesmerized by the SATA III C300s. I've thought about returning my C300s for cheaper SF SDDs, but with everything running so smoothly, probably not. These days I just want a running system more than anything!

Definitely post some benchies if you go for SF drives.
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I almost bit on the C300's using the very same reasoning, however I'm now starting to lean toward the idea of getting two SandForce 1222 controlled SATA II drives instead.

My reasoning is this: When using the SATA II ports on this MB in RAID 0 the SandForce drives are actually faster than the C300's today. Plus they are about $125 cheaper. As far as future proofing is concerned, it seems unlikely that a driver update from Marvell will fix all the issues. More than likely a new chipset (probably from Intel) will be needed to take full advantage of SATA III. In addition the C300's themselves don't yet take full advantage of the SATA III speed. The next generation SandForce controllers are rumored to get closer to the 600 MB/s theoretical maximum of the bus. In other words it would take a full MB upgrade to do a good SATA III RAID 0 setup, and by that time much better SSD controller chips and much cheaper GB/$ ratio drives will be available.

What does everyone else think? Splurge on the C300's today or go with the trusty SandForce drives instead?
i went from c300 to sandforce, in non raid settings and cant tell the difference

i think it boots up quicker skipping the jmicron thing for sata 6gbps
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True indeed. I considered Sandforce drives as well initially, but I guess I was mesmerized by the SATA III C300s. I've thought about returning my C300s for cheaper SF SDDs, but with everything running so smoothly, probably not. These days I just want a running system more than anything!

Definitely post some benchies if you go for SF drives.
I will definitely post some benchmarks either way. It would be interesting to compare to what others with this board are using.
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Anyone having any issues using an external HDD with eSATA? My LaCie external has been causing my system to hang during POST and occasionally Windows (switching off the drive resolves the hangs). The drive will make a sound like the RW heads are moving, or the platters will spin briefly. The drive isn't being accessed to cause such behavior.

The drive worked fine on my last board (EVGA 780i), so I'm not sure if it's the drive or the board.
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Anyone having any issues using an external HDD with eSATA? My LaCie external has been causing my system to hang during POST and occasionally Windows (switching off the drive resolves the hangs). The drive will make a sound like the RW heads are moving, or the platters will spin briefly. The drive isn't being accessed to cause such behavior.

The drive worked fine on my last board (EVGA 780i), so I'm not sure if it's the drive or the board.
Did you check the boot priority in the BIOS? I know that I had a machine that would always try to boot from my iPod Classic (which of course it couldn't do) and as a result it would effectively "hang."
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Did you check the boot priority in the BIOS? I know that I had a machine that would always try to boot from my iPod Classic (which of course it couldn't do) and as a result it would effectively "hang."
Well, it never shows up in the BIOS setup, so I can't say if it's trying to boot from it. I wonder if it could be due the eSATA cable? The end of the cable which plugs into the MB eSATA port is broken (the retaining clip is broken off and part of the plastic houseing around the pins) but the pins are still intact and it has always worked fine until now.
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Well I went through C300 hair pulling days trying to get the sata 3 working. Then after much talk and reading ,its an asus board thing these drives dont want to work(bios) in sata 3. gigabyte boards are being said by others to be alright with it.

I have mine in sata 2. And its just fine and fast. My thought is its the best ssd overall. And if you can afford a sata3 controller card and 2- 256g s in raid they are just beast's unbelievable speed. But its to pricey for me to go that way. I wish I had another one and just raid in sata 2 and sata 3 may someday get better(marvell or intel). Just my thought.

If we didnt have to be milked like cows ,the manufactures could offer a new line of ssd's and MB's 3 times better than what we have. But we gotta do the marketing thing.
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OK I decided on two OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD drives. Just ordered from NewEgg since they have a $20 MIR and free shipping. $218.95 for each drive. The ratings on these sandforce based drives is good, and they have a MaximumPC best of the best award whom I trust. Basically they are the top end in the SATA II market in terms of speed (along with the other sandforce based drives - although people seem to like the OCZ firmware better than some of the others).

I'm going to use them in a RAID 0 setup on the SATA II Intel ICH10R controller with 128K stripe which tests have shown the sandforce chipset drives do better with. I'll definitely post benchmarks when I have everything together.

I now have all the components I need for the "core" of my system, except the CPU! Really hoping that when Sandy Bridge CPU's start selling next week, that the prices for the LGA1366 processors come down a bit. (I realize that they aren't a direct competitor because of the differences in the socket, but for anyone building a new system they are both options, and should have some effect on the older CPUs.) If anyone knows of a great deal on a 1366 socket i7 CPU let me know!
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@&$*#! The "open box" Rampage III Formula board I ordered from NewEgg came today, and it's missing the I/O Shield and the ROG cable. Those are pretty much impossible to replace, so I guess I'll have to send it back. Now I go from saving $75 to losing $44 (for restocking fee and return shipping). @&$^#! I guess I should have known better, but I've had really good success with open box products in the past. I hate the jerk who sent this board back without all the cables. Oh well I gambled and lost this time.
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