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If they used the same paste on the RIIIF that they did on the RIIIE, I highly recommend you change it. That was the worst excuse for TIM I have ever seen in my life.


Would anyone here mind trying to push BCLK with a lower multi and check gaming performance?

This is what I came up with on my RIIIE:



200x20, 210x19, 220x18, 223x18 are the settings I used.
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Would anyone here mind trying to push BCLK with a lower multi and check gaming performance?

This is what I came up with on my RIIIE:



200x20, 210x19, 220x18, 223x18 are the settings I used.
Which card did you use for your benches? Helios1234's review showed decreasing performance above 216 with an ATI card. I have only GTX 470's...
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GTX470 at stock clocks. The card shouldn't matter though. I believe it's a result of the QPI frequency:

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Quick and dirty, I found something curious.

When I jumped from 200 bclk to 220 blck using Turbo EVO, the 3d performance plummetted:

bclk/pci-e/3dmark06
200/100/23859
220/100/3101

However, when I crept up from 200 to 210 to 215,216,217,218,219,220, things were peachy at 220:
220/100/25670

I'm not adjusting pci-e speed from 100 here. Looking at your data, this seems to matter only at 223. Unfortunately, I'm having a little trouble at 223. I'm at 1.375 QPI/DRAM - do I need more? (1.35 is stable at 220).

xxbassplayerxx - what happens when you creep up slowly? Is there a clear point where performance suddenly dives?
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Right when QPI passes 4GHz, performance takes a nose dive.

I was able to boot and run up to 230 BCLK with predictable results on the UD9, but it took quite a bit of QPI voltage. I could go higher, but I wouldn't be comfortable with the voltages.

I haven't switched back over to the RIIIE to check if more QPI voltage solves it.
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You are running your QPI at more than 16x the bclk (and I'm guessing more than 2x the DRAM freq: 3600 QPI at 200 bclk and probably 1600mhz DRAM). What happens if you keep your QPI at 16x the bclk (3200 at 200 bclk etc)? Do the 3Dmark06 results at 223 bclk on the RIIIE change? Are the UD9 and RIIIE setting QPI ratios the same way clock for clock?
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Quote:
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You are running your QPI at more than 16x the bclk (and I'm guessing more than 2x the DRAM freq: 3600 QPI at 200 bclk and probably 1600mhz DRAM). What happens if you keep your QPI at 16x the bclk (3200 at 200 bclk etc)? Do the 3Dmark06 results at 223 bclk on the RIIIE change? Are the UD9 and RIIIE setting QPI ratios the same way clock for clock?
With Nehalem, there is not a 16x option. The lowest is 18x.
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With Nehalem, there is not a 16x option. The lowest is 18x.
Actually, it's the same for Westmere (18x, 22x, 24x). I was looking at uncore freq, distracted in part by the way the bios lists QPI freq at double the rate that CPU-Z shows (3600 in CPU-Z is 7200 in the bios), so seeing your 3600, which is actually a bios option for uncore at 200 bclk, I confused the two. No idea why QPI speeds are represented this way.

Anyway, 220 bclk is my limit on air with the RIIIF, so I'm stuck at 3960 QPI in CPU-Z terms. Just barely unable to test your theory...

Now, why on earth reaching 4000 QPI would suddenly cause a nose-dive in GPU performance is a mystery. But if the UD9 has no such issue, it appears to be an Asus thing. Not sure if this is different from what Helios ran into in his RIIIF review with the 5870...
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You're limited to 220 most likely because of PCI-E speeds. Try bumping it up to ~105 or so and you should be good.
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Bingo - Fire up a little Victor Wooten on Sinister Minister for the Bassman!

I don't even need to finish 3dmark06 to corroborate your findings. At 222 bclk, I cross 4000 QPI. You can tell immediately from the frame rates. Drop back to 221, and all is well.

Bizarre. But clearly true of both RIIIE and RIIIF. My P6X58D-E couldn't get past 216, but I imagine if it did, we might find the same...
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