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Huh, I wonder if the next generation (Broadwell right?) will be any better for oc'ing. How is Haswell finicky?
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Originally Posted by NaciremaDiputs View Post

Overclocking a Haswell chip is a good bit different from anything else on the market.

There are some really good guides here on OCN in the Intel topics if I remember correctly. I would highly advise seeking one of those guides out before attempting any oc on a Haswell. They tend to be very finicky chips where overclocking is concerned.

Great more learning. I have no time as it is haha.
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Huh, I wonder if the next generation (Broadwell right?) will be any better for oc'ing. How is Haswell finicky?

Ivy Bridge and Haswell are both notorious for exceedingly high temps in the vcore when overclocked. While it was very easy to push Sandy Bridge all the way up to 5.0 gHz, most Haswell oc's stop around 4.5-4.6 gHz and still run hotter than a Sandy Bridge at 5.0 gHz.

The voltage settings for Haswell chips can be a real pain in the rear too, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency in the binning process/lottery. If you search for 4770k overclock guides you can find story after story of people having a hard time getting stable overclocks after adjusting the voltage in even the smallest of increments.

It's still great for overclocking, it's just the overclocking potential of the i7 has gone down with each new generation of the chip since Sandy Bridge.
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Great more learning. I have no time as it is haha.

Don't let it intimidate you. It's not a hard chip to OC, you just have to be more careful with how you OC the chip. Since it runs so hot already, even tiny changes can quickly burn out the cpu if you get too over-zealous in your OC.
     
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post #14376 of 18197
Quote:
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Don't let it intimidate you. It's not a hard chip to OC, you just have to be more careful with how you OC the chip. Since it runs so hot already, even tiny changes can quickly burn out the cpu if you get too over-zealous in your OC.

Is it as hot as my Volcano Rock FX 8350?

Also does anyone know any free software where I can make stickers (with accurate measurements) and print it off?
Edited by Recr3ational - 1/21/14 at 5:18pm
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Great more learning. I have no time as it is haha.

I'm running my 4770k at 4.5GHz (turbo) and when running Prime 95, I have seen it hit 83c. If I use Intel Burn Test...wow, I've seen it go over 100c. Needless to say, I don't use IBT anymore. During the most intense gaming sessions I have never seen it go over 70c.

My i5 2500K was clocked exactly the same, and it would never exceed 73c with IBT, and would hover in the low 60s using Prime 95.

Overclocking it for 4.5GHz on an ASUS board was easy. Go into the bios, and let it auto overclock. Then increase the clock until you are unhappy with your temps. I could easily get 4.6 but it was just running too hot, so I backed it off by 100MHz and it's acceptable now. Since you'll be using an open loop for cooling, you should get higher clocks. Again, I would start with an auto overclock, and then it's a game of creeping up and adding voltages to find your limit. As others have mentioned, follow the guides if you haven't done it before.

You could get much better temps if you were willing to delid the chip, but personally I'm not willing to void the warranty on a cpu that cost more than my motherboard did.

Apparently a part of the problem is the TIM between the lid and the top of the die. I hear they used poor TIM when previously they were using solder on the Sandy Bridge chips, so the heat transfer is not as good as it was on Sandy Bridge. Also there is the natural increase in heat due to transistor density and reduced cooling-surface area per transistor.

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http://www.extremetech.com/computing/129300-physics-ivy-bridge-and-the-slow-death-of-overclocking
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I'm running my 4770k at 4.5GHz (turbo) and when running Prime 95, I have seen it hit 83c. If I use Intel Burn Test...wow, I've seen it go over 100c. Needless to say, I don't use IBT anymore. During the most intense gaming sessions I have never seen it go over 70c.

My i5 2500K was clocked exactly the same, and it would never exceed 73c with IBT, and would hover in the low 60s using Prime 95.

Overclocking it for 4.5GHz on an ASUS board was easy. Go into the bios, and let it auto overclock. Then increase the clock until you are unhappy with your temps. I could easily get 4.6 but it was just running too hot, so I backed it off by 100MHz and it's acceptable now. Since you'll be using an open loop for cooling, you should get higher clocks. Again, I would start with an auto overclock, and then it's a game of creeping up and adding voltages to find your limit. As others have mentioned, follow the guides if you haven't done it before.

You could get much better temps if you were willing to delid the chip, but personally I'm not willing to void the warranty on a cpu that cost more than my motherboard did.

Apparently a part of the problem is the TIM between the lid and the top of the die. I hear they used poor TIM when previously they were using solder on the Sandy Bridge chips, so the heat transfer is not as good as it was on Sandy Bridge. Also there is the natural increase in heat due to transistor density and reduced cooling-surface area per transistor.

Here's a bit on it:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/129300-physics-ivy-bridge-and-the-slow-death-of-overclocking

Happy delidder here, running my 3770k at 4.7ghz and I think max temps I've seen in games is 65degrees. Granted this is under water and I've mounted it without the ihs


The problem isn't the TIM on the die, the biggest issue is the space between the die and the ihs which causes worse heat dissipation. This is why delidding works as you remove the silicone glue and then replace the TIM with a better one.

Any who, I'm really happy I ended up doing it. Was a lot of fun bashing my CPU with a hammer as well biggrin.gif
Edited by Krullmeister - 1/21/14 at 10:02pm
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Whats all this delid crap, i7 3820 not delid still never over 65c....
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