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Originally Posted by CesarNYC View Post
Thanks for the vids, I heard Cyberdruid was going to sell acrylic side panels, but why 10mm thick? MNPCTech use 1 inch cast acrylic panels, so thats a big difference. Also I wonder if Cyberdruid is aware of how many people complain about fitment issues with the 600T side panel (gaps, bulging, etc), sounds like he is going to make a side panel better then the stock door.
MNPCTECH uses 1" acrylic and milles/machines it down as the shape is not the same thickness right through and has chamfered edges (see pic "MNPCTECH")

CyberDruid and most others use a same thickness right trough (+/- 10mm), see pic "CyberDruid or Generic"

For better illustration what it really comes down to, look at last 2 pics for finished products.

Please do not use these measurements represented in the illustrations as they are not drawn to scale NOR have these measurements been confirmed as accurate.



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Still waiting on my demciflex filters, from what I read on the internet the South African post office airmail is not that hot, might be another week or more before I see it. I will post a pic.


People say that but no one ever does it and posts a pic. Probably because it looks like an abomination.
Yes SAPO sucks and I try to avoid using them at all. They have in the past taken as long as 1 month to get my goods to me - that is after they lost the 1st parcel which also took 1 month to get lost.

You really need a good camera to take pics as the mesh is sooooo fine that you would barely be able to see it in a pic. The material is quite tough too and wont easily tear on anything like that. Another difficulty is that these filters can come in ANY shape, configuration, colours or sizes, with or without magnetic frames etc so there are so many options to post pics on
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Yes, the convex nature of the side panels has always made me wonder if the acrylic panels are flat or are they also convex? I would take a stock side panel in to the shop so they can have a look at it. I'm wondering if they could use the laser to cut the outside of the panel curved/convex but leave the inside flat? This would in effect vary the thickness of the panel so it would be thick in the centre and slightly thinner at the edges. It seems a laser should be able to handle that.
Well if you check the post before this one you should get a good idea.

If you want to make the curved/convex shape using waterjet or lasercut, you need a machine with a 5th axis. Problem with lastercutting/waterjetting it that way will require diamond-polishing which is VERY expensive. MNPCTECH milles the shape and polishes with a method unknown to me.

You can still get away with a lasercut, waterjet or milled or routed panel with same thicknes right through but will end up having like a 5mm lip overlap from the chassis lip at the top and bottom of the chassis (also illustrated in my previous post)
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Edit: Decided not to keep case
Edited by 1ceTr0n - 9/16/11 at 6:26pm
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Oh joy, more variables to consider when deciding on intake/exhaust/push/pull.

Since I have push/pull I don't have to worry much about it. However, the person I was discussing this with was using the H100 as exhaust/pull in the 600T. I was thinking, given the choice, that I would likely choose intake/push over exhaust/pull.

See, something doesn't quite add up here. Corsair has tested push/pull vs push on the H100 and they only got a difference of 1c. The link article says "Just like doubling up with a pump, there is a pressure benefit to doubling up on fans and this translates to about a 20-30% performance gain.", which does not jive with Corsair's findings. I have to assume that the radiator thickness and fins per inch are entering into this equation, as well as the thickness of the fans. I think there is a problem here by comparing 38mm high speed fans with 25mm low speed fans. This adds uncertainty to his findings.

However I will pass the article along so the guy can decide for himself.
I am more apt to believe a third party, but using a 38mm fan does add another question. And yet you have all the materials you need to test it for yourself. I am confident that Martin is right, just need to see by how much. Don't be lazy now.

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May be even better temps when I install dual shrouds (fan->shroud->rad->shroud>-fan)
It will help, but the difference will be very small. Most people don't bother because the cost/performance ratio is so small, but if you want to squeeze every ounce.....

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I have the H60 in a push/pull configuration with 2x Scythe 1850rpm ap15s, replaced the top 200mm with 2x more ap15s, put 4x noctua P12 9 blade 1300rpm fans on the door and replaced the stock front Corsair with the CM Megaflow 200mm 700rpm fan and added the Scythe kama flow II 80mm 2200rpm to my 5.25" bay.

I keep my fans at about 70% and get 34c NB, 38c CPU and about 38c as well for both of my 6950s at idle (Highs of 38, 54, and 60 when stress testing). I've been building my own towers for about 12 years now and this is the first time I've really taken into consideration air flow and the physics that go along with tweaking my configuration. I like some fan because I sleep in the same room as my computer and the ambient noise helps me sleep, sometimes I even turn them up to 100% when I'm going to bed because 70% is too quiet for me.

My PS3 is on the opposite side of the room and if it is on I cannot hear my computer when sitting at my desk.
One mans garbage is another mans treasure

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Originally Posted by CTV View Post
MNPCTECH uses 1" acrylic and milles/machines it down as the shape is not the same thickness right through and has chamfered edges (see pic "MNPCTECH")

CyberDruid and most others use a same thickness right trough (+/- 10mm), see pic "CyberDruid or Generic"

For better illustration what it really comes down to, look at last 2 pics for finished products.

Please do not use these measurements represented in the illustrations as they are not drawn to scale NOR have these measurements been confirmed as accurate.
More great info, thanks again. This doesn't sound good for CyberDruid though, if he is using a flat piece.........

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Yes SAPO sucks and I try to avoid using them at all. They have in the past taken as long as 1 month to get my goods to me - that is after they lost the 1st parcel which also took 1 month to get lost.

You really need a good camera to take pics as the mesh is sooooo fine that you would barely be able to see it in a pic. The material is quite tough too and wont easily tear on anything like that. Another difficulty is that these filters can come in ANY shape, configuration, colours or sizes, with or without magnetic frames etc so there are so many options to post pics on
I just happen to have a good camera . Very curious to see what it going to look like. I went Black on Black with my filters....

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Originally Posted by 1ceTr0n View Post
In an attempt to help salvage my otherwise new, stock 600T SE case from the gawd awful "buzzing" sound from the intake fan as well as the single HDD, I decided to dust off my case modding skills and take matters into my own hands before plunking down more cash to solve the problem. Amazing what a little bit of ingenuity, creativity and bunch of spare computer parts over the years can net you for instant and free results

As I said earlier, my biggest complaint since I first fired up the case was this awful buzzing sound emanating from the front, 200mm intake fan, even at the lowest speed, it was annoying. I took part the front paneling I found the meshing to be not really restrictive like i've seen in alot of other cases, so that wasn't it. Then I thought I might have had a faulty fan from my replacement case from Corsair, but the noise dissapered if I ran the fan unattached from the case, so thats it. Does the fan just basically suck? I thought that was basically it so I regressed to spending time researching the very few 200mm fans out there when I had a bit of a brainstorm.

The included rubber fan mount grommets included with the case I first noticed were very "stiff" and didn't flex at all. In fact, I had two fall apart when I removed the rear 120mm exhaust fan, the rubber was very dry and brittle. Well that won't do real good for vibration absorption, hmm...I think I have lots of silicon spacers left over from my Antecs cases lying around, so before I pull out the debit card again, lets put some creativity into solving this problem shall we?


While its a nice thought from Corsair , these rubber mounts are basically crap, brittle, dry and thus, useless





Rummaging around in my 10 years worth of computer parts and junk, I found and I cut in half some silicon HDD mounts I had left over from my Antec P185 years ago. Nice and soft, bouncy and good texture, perfect for vibration absorption, and their free!





There we go, that looks more promising!




Yeah, that looks like it will help some methinks!



Lets do the same to that gawd awful intake fan and see if we can help reduce that horrid buzzing noise




Because I wanted maximum intake air flow and cause I only use one single HDD, I removed all the HDD cages and placed the WD Caviar Black in the 5.25" bays. I took some uncut silicon spacers and sandwitched them with the HDD on top. As I don't really move my case around, this will work fine for my needs, and it should help quiet down that noisy Caviar!

The results? Well, I honestly didn't expect much from this, but I figured it was worth a shot a litlte bit of my time. I fired up the case and much to my amazement, the *buzzing* from the front intake fan was greatly reduced!!! It was now a more pleasant "woooooshing" sound then a pissed off bumble bee from hell it was before! Allright, score one for ingenuity! The HDD also hardly transfers any vibration into the case and the top blowhole fan also seems to have a bit less "white noise" thanks to the silicon grommets adding some breathing space between the girl and absorbing vibration!

Now I can relax sitting next to my new computer case and soon new build with the fans at 50% on the fan controller during idle were as before, I had to crank it all the way down to make the buzzing tolerable. Talk about a big difference with a little bit of work and creativity! I may not bother now replacing the intake fan, but rather work on getting a more balanced airflow in the case via exhaust fan swapping out and or installing the side panel mesh with or without fans.

Hope this gives you some ideas to help quiet down your 600T Graphite case as well!
Let me first say great job, well done write up and your pics are *gasp* good. I never experienced a buzzing sound from the front 200mm fan but that may be because I have one of the older ones that has a rubber grommet/bracket/clip on mechanism for installing the fan. Still, I have noticed that the rubber inserts in the 600T are not silcone (they tear easier then I would like , have removed them and reinserted more then a few), so I would think your silicone mod would be much quieter........and now for the bad news
Having that pretty big gap in the front, between the fan and the intake hole, will make your fan less efficient in cooling the 600T. The fan might pull some air from inside the case instead of just pulling colder air from the outside with that much of a gap. If you have any weatherstripping lying around the house, I would use that to close the gap. They do sell stuff specifically for fans, but I know the point was not to spend more
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More great info, thanks again. This doesn't sound good for CyberDruid though, if he is using a flat piece.........
I would not go as far as saying anything negative about CyberDruid or his workmanship - the guy is a sheer genuis with a pair of hands that can work miracles. His pieces are masterpieces in theit own right.

The reason why MNPCTECH can make it as perfect as they do is for 2 reasons:

1.) Bill Owen
2.) They have all the tools known to man to achieve this
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I would not go as far as saying anything negative about CyberDruid or his workmanship - the guy is a sheer genuis with a pair of hands that can work miracles. His pieces are masterpieces in theit own right.

The reason why MNPCTECH can make it as perfect as they do is for 2 reasons:

1.) Bill Owen
2.) They have all the tools known to man to achieve this
I am sure you are right, just going by his commentary in the vids you posted he does not seem to be the type to produce an inferior product. Still its a problem that has to be solved, would love to see his solution.
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I thought 600T can't fit E-ATX... How did you do that???
It fits fine, covers some grommets but that's not really an issue. If i can figure out what my son did with my camera, I'll take some more detailed pictures and post them
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I was wondering if you have tried the new Corsair Gaming Mice, and gaming Keyboards? I ask because I am interested in them as they look like they are built to last. I am also looking at the Vengence 1500 headset.
    
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The stock fan controller varies from 7V to 12V, so it's about 60%-100%.

Anything less than that could be below the startup or operational voltage of a lot of aftermarket fans.

It might be possible to replace the pot, but of course you'd void the warranty of the I/O panel devices.

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This must be with the "updated" fan controller, because the original 600T was closer to 9V at 0% on the knob, at least as tested by Compudaze, one of our club members.
Great info, thanks. I didn't know it was changed from the original fan controller. I was just wondering because I'd like to run a pair of Scythe GT AP-15s on the CPU heatsink or a 240 rad as I heard that they scale well and I wanted a little more control than what I was hearing about. Anyone know how many watts this thing can handle? The website says four fans, but it doesn't exactly specify the wattage of those 4 fans.
 
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