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Not at all, I understand. I actually googled " corsair 600t 240 rad and It came up with a load of pictures, I just wasn't sure whether these were all examples of cases that had been modded in the past. I'll definitely in the future be considering throwing in a nice loop in this case, although I don't do any over clocking. I am just going to start with a H60 I think.

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I wouldnt start with the H60. I started with the H60 and you really limit yourself. The h60 is just like a stock heatsink. Go for the H100i. This way if you did want to overclock in the future your'e not limiting yourself. Sometimes I wish I would have just bought the H100 and called it a day instead of spending a lot of money on a cooling system. I then tell myself the VRM really needed to be cooled to run the 24/7 voltage that I am. Still not sure about this one though.

Personally, I think the H60 is an excellent choice if you don't plan on extreme overclocking. You'll still be able to maintain a decent OC though. I'm still using my original H60 (with a SP120 fan on it, which I only run at 7 volts, so it's pretty damn quiet as well), and with 4.3 on my 2500K with a quite a bit of voltage (1.25 for heat testing) I haven't been over 70C yet in quite some Intel burn test runs (I don't generally test for huge amounts of time though, but Intel burn test is good for getting some quick temperature indications). With general use I obviously don't even come close to that. The results I see in reviews are pretty consistent with my own results as well (nice example). In my opinion, the H60 is great if you don't need extreme OCs. It also looks really good IMO.

@Hartacus: claiming that the H60 is 'just like a stock heatsink' is seriously untrue. See for example here; the Intel stock cooler in this test reaches a delta of 79C, whereas the delta of the H60 is 44C. That means that the stock cooler runs about 80% hotter (in terms of the delta temp) than the H60 in that test. Sure it's not a H100, but it's definitely no stock cooler either (actually comes pretty close to the H100 at the lower speed settings).
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Intel stock cooler in this test reaches a delta of 79C, whereas the delta of the H60 is 44C.
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After reading that, there are way too many variables for that to be a scientific experiment and/or comparison. The H60 is better than a stock cooler. I was just trying to explain why limit it. On a small OC the H60 is great and only about 2-5C warmer then an h100. On a 4.5-4.8 OC (Sandy) the h100 keeps a cpu 10-15C cooler.
 
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I wouldnt start with the H60. I started with the H60 and you really limit yourself. The h60 is just like a stock heatsink. Go for the H100i. This way if you did want to overclock in the future your'e not limiting yourself. Sometimes I wish I would have just bought the H100 and called it a day instead of spending a lot of money on a cooling system. I then tell myself the VRM really needed to be cooled to run the 24/7 voltage that I am. Still not sure about this one though.

I had the H60 and what a waste of 60 dollars... Couldn't keep anything cool and soon after I got the itch that most of us get and came home with a full custom water cooling setup.
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After reading that, there are way too many variables for that to be a scientific experiment and/or comparison. The H60 is better than a stock cooler. I was just trying to explain why limit it. On a small OC the H60 is great and only about 2-5C warmer then an h100. On a 4.5-4.8 OC (Sandy) the h100 keeps a cpu 10-15C cooler.

Yeah its hard to find tests that include a large variety of coolers and can also be called 'scientific', I think it gives a decent indication though smile.gif

But yeah, I agree with what you said there. If you really want to OC (especially Sandy), get a H100 (or anything similar or better). If you don't really care though, it might just be a waste of money to go for a H100.

Must say I've had my eye on that H100i as well, but that would actually be a waste of money for me since I'd like to build a custom loop as well some day, hopefully sooner than later.
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I'm not intending on overclocking right away. I can't validate doing it " just for fun " as if it's constantly under more heat than it will shorten the lifetime of my hardware. I would only run with a mild to very small overclock while on an all in one cooler if i do at all, personally I would only be comfortable under a constant overclock on a custom loop.

Whilst perfectly fine for some enthusiasts, I don't want to throw away the extra 50 bucks to get a h100i if I might be moving to water cooling, in my own situation, money certainly is an important consideration in the build, that doesn't mean i'm on a budget, but I'm not willing to waste money either. I appreciate your opinions though, as I'm not experienced with anything but air coolers.

I'm still deciding between whether to go for the white or black model even, so I'm certainly taking my time with this build. I noticed more of you guys seem to have the white, however, my pc will be on the ground and I like black cases so I'm thinking of getting the mesh model. I think I'm going to put a nice solid ivy bridge system in there.

Cheers guys
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I'm not intending on overclocking right away. I can't validate doing it " just for fun " as if it's constantly under more heat than it will shorten the lifetime of my hardware. I would only run with a mild to very small overclock while on an all in one cooler if i do at all, personally I would only be comfortable under a constant overclock on a custom loop.

Whilst perfectly fine for some enthusiasts, I don't want to throw away the extra 50 bucks to get a h100i if I might be moving to water cooling, in my own situation, money certainly is an important consideration in the build, that doesn't mean i'm on a budget, but I'm not willing to waste money either. I appreciate your opinions though, as I'm not experienced with anything but air coolers.

I'm still deciding between whether to go for the white or black model even, so I'm certainly taking my time with this build. I noticed more of you guys seem to have the white, however, my pc will be on the ground and I like black cases so I'm thinking of getting the mesh model. I think I'm going to put a nice solid ivy bridge system in there.

Cheers guys

Well I think the H60 is an excellent choice to start with, some of the hardcore overclockers here just can't stand anything below 4.5GHz wink.gif. Besides, nothing wrong with being on a budget. I did some great builds for friends who had around a thousand euros to spend, it really took me back to the days of 'just put it together, everything works, and enjoy' smile.gif.

For me the white version of the case was the only thing that could justify the purchase of a new case when I bought it, it just looks so awesome in my opinion (and still does more than a year later). But back then they didn't have a black version with a window yet...
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I'm not intending on overclocking right away. I can't validate doing it " just for fun " as if it's constantly under more heat than it will shorten the lifetime of my hardware. I would only run with a mild to very small overclock while on an all in one cooler if i do at all, personally I would only be comfortable under a constant overclock on a custom loop.

Whilst perfectly fine for some enthusiasts, I don't want to throw away the extra 50 bucks to get a h100i if I might be moving to water cooling, in my own situation, money certainly is an important consideration in the build, that doesn't mean i'm on a budget, but I'm not willing to waste money either. I appreciate your opinions though, as I'm not experienced with anything but air coolers.

I'm still deciding between whether to go for the white or black model even, so I'm certainly taking my time with this build. I noticed more of you guys seem to have the white, however, my pc will be on the ground and I like black cases so I'm thinking of getting the mesh model. I think I'm going to put a nice solid ivy bridge system in there.

Cheers guys

I would go for a H100 or H100i, it kept my system nice and stable with an overclock of 4.8 .. and it fits perfectly up top with no modding and the fans on the outside, the H60 could be a bit limiting and the cost to get a H100 is not that much more. It is an excellent introduction to watercooling and the closed loop means no headaches, its just like plug and play.

I have only gone for a open loop because I wanted to cool my GPU's as my GTX690 always hits 90-100'C, if only you could get a closed loop system for your GPU I would'nt have gone for the open loop as it is $$$, still waiting for my waterblock for my GPU.. still 8+ weeks for delivery.

Anyway, I would Highly recommend the H100 or H100i .. fantastic kit. But be warned, once bitten by water cooling you will not go back thumb.gif
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I'm still deciding between whether to go for the white or black model even, so I'm certainly taking my time with this build. I noticed more of you guys seem to have the white, however, my pc will be on the ground and I like black cases so I'm thinking of getting the mesh model. I think I'm going to put a nice solid ivy bridge system in there.
Cheers guys

If I had known when it when I was looking I would have went silver. I think the silver looks bad ass with a red interior. Not many people have the silver either.
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I don't want to throw away the extra 50 bucks to get a h100i if I might be moving to water cooling, in my own situation, money certainly is an important consideration in the build, that doesn't mean i'm on a budget, but I'm not willing to waste money either. I appreciate your opinions though, as I'm not experienced with anything but air coolers.

Water cooling is a very slippery slope my friend. I said the same exact thing when I started. I remember looking at the h100 and saying "damn I really dont want to spend more than $100 on cooling." Here we are over $1,500 my cooling system is almost complete. The one really big negative is the cards. I want to add two more 7970's for about $350-400 each. Then the Komodo water blocks are $170 each. so for me to add two more card its going to cost me over $1000.
 
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I wouldnt start with the H60. I started with the H60 and you really limit yourself. The h60 is just like a stock heatsink. Go for the H100i. This way if you did want to overclock in the future your'e not limiting yourself. Sometimes I wish I would have just bought the H100 and called it a day instead of spending a lot of money on a cooling system. I then tell myself the VRM really needed to be cooled to run the 24/7 voltage that I am. Still not sure about this one though.

Wow, no way is the H60 just like a stock heatsink. When I went from a stock heatsink to an H70, I dropped 20c off my temps while adding a 500MHz overclock, and the H70 barely (if at all) outperforms an H60.

If you were getting stock heatsink temps from your H60, there was something wrong.
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Personally, I think the H60 is an excellent choice if you don't plan on extreme overclocking. You'll still be able to maintain a decent OC though. I'm still using my original H60 (with a SP120 fan on it, which I only run at 7 volts, so it's pretty damn quiet as well), and with 4.3 on my 2500K with a quite a bit of voltage (1.25 for heat testing) I haven't been over 70C yet in quite some Intel burn test runs (I don't generally test for huge amounts of time though, but Intel burn test is good for getting some quick temperature indications). With general use I obviously don't even come close to that. The results I see in reviews are pretty consistent with my own results as well (nice example). In my opinion, the H60 is great if you don't need extreme OCs. It also looks really good IMO.

@Hartacus: claiming that the H60 is 'just like a stock heatsink' is seriously untrue. See for example here; the Intel stock cooler in this test reaches a delta of 79C, whereas the delta of the H60 is 44C. That means that the stock cooler runs about 80% hotter (in terms of the delta temp) than the H60 in that test. Sure it's not a H100, but it's definitely no stock cooler either (actually comes pretty close to the H100 at the lower speed settings).

Agree 100%. The H60 is a decent cooler.
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After reading that, there are way too many variables for that to be a scientific experiment and/or comparison. The H60 is better than a stock cooler. I was just trying to explain why limit it. On a small OC the H60 is great and only about 2-5C warmer then an h100. On a 4.5-4.8 OC (Sandy) the h100 keeps a cpu 10-15C cooler.

That's hugely different from what you said in your first post above.
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I had the H60 and what a waste of 60 dollars... Couldn't keep anything cool and soon after I got the itch that most of us get and came home with a full custom water cooling setup.

You must have had a problem. There are tons of happy H60 owners doing overclocks. Indeed, the H60 is better than the H50 and there was a massive number of people using the H50 for overclocking. If you couldn't keep anything cool with the H60, either you were doing something wrong, or there was something wrong with the cooler. Head over to the Hydro Cooler thread and ask the H60 owners how they like their H60s. I highly doubt they will say it won't keep anything cool.

There are lots of reviews and comparisons of closed loop water coolers on the web. They're really easy to find using Google. I have read a ton of them myself, and pretty much every single one places the H60 exactly where it should belong amongst Corsair's other Hydro series coolers.

When I moved from my H70 to the H100, on the same cpu, I got a 7c cooling difference. My changeover is documented in this thread right here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/831636/official-corsair-graphite-club/2650#post_14541003

I can also tell you that the H70 (as I mentioned already above) barely outperforms an H60. So, here you are going to have about a 7c difference between the H60 and the H100. If you want to be really generous, you could put that up to 9c to account for a couple c difference between an H60 and the H70 I am comparing it with. Of course, results may differ with the new H100i as it should be a few degrees c better than the H100.
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Well I think the H60 is an excellent choice to start with, some of the hardcore overclockers here just can't stand anything below 4.5GHz wink.gif. Besides, nothing wrong with being on a budget. I did some great builds for friends who had around a thousand euros to spend, it really took me back to the days of 'just put it together, everything works, and enjoy' smile.gif.

For me the white version of the case was the only thing that could justify the purchase of a new case when I bought it, it just looks so awesome in my opinion (and still does more than a year later). But back then they didn't have a black version with a window yet...

Agree again. I'm using a 3.3GHz 2500k, and I'm overclocking it to 4.3GHz. At this point, my system can hit 70c if I am torturing it with Intel Burn Test. I like to keep my processor under 73c, so I allow it to top out at 70c. If I put my system up to 4.5GHz, imo my processor would be unacceptably warm. Besides, a 1GHz overclock is plenty for me. That extra 200MHz wouldn't make any practical difference. I would expect, with an H60, my system would be running at 4GHz and I would have been happy with that as well.

For people who want to squeeze every bit out of an overclock, the obvious solution is an open loop. The H100 is great, but it's not the high end of cooling.
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I would go for a H100 or H100i, it kept my system nice and stable with an overclock of 4.8 .. and it fits perfectly up top with no modding and the fans on the outside, the H60 could be a bit limiting and the cost to get a H100 is not that much more. It is an excellent introduction to watercooling and the closed loop means no headaches, its just like plug and play.
I have only gone for a open loop because I wanted to cool my GPU's as my GTX690 always hits 90-100'C, if only you could get a closed loop system for your GPU I would'nt have gone for the open loop as it is $$$, still waiting for my waterblock for my GPU.. still 8+ weeks for delivery.

Anyway, I would Highly recommend the H100 or H100i .. fantastic kit. But be warned, once bitten by water cooling you will not go back thumb.gif

There are closed loop water coolers for GPUs. Both store bought units and modded mounts for Corsair and other companies CPU coolers to allow them to work on video cards.

Here's one example: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39770

and here's an example of a mod bracket: http://www.overclock.net/t/1247567/h60-h80-h100-installed-on-gpu-bracket-inside#post_17085499

If I didn't have two video cards, I'd go for one of those arctic coolers and mount it in the rear exhaust position. Since I modded the bottom of my case for another 120mm intake fan, I may be able to fit two of those units in but I'm not sure I have the space between my cards to allow for the cooler. Plus they're pretty expensive.
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Originally Posted by keesgelder View Post

Well I think the H60 is an excellent choice to start with, some of the hardcore overclockers here just can't stand anything below 4.5GHz wink.gif. Besides, nothing wrong with being on a budget. I did some great builds for friends who had around a thousand euros to spend, it really took me back to the days of 'just put it together, everything works, and enjoy' smile.gif.

For me the white version of the case was the only thing that could justify the purchase of a new case when I bought it, it just looks so awesome in my opinion (and still does more than a year later). But back then they didn't have a black version with a window yet...

Thanks, I am obviously still doing my research, but the H60 SE 2012 edition has been praised in nearly every review I've read, from the results I've gathered from various sites, such as overclock 3d etc.., it's on par with the highest rated air coolers, and doesn't place nearly the same amount of stress or weight on the motherboard and is quieter and doesn't rely on air inside the chassis ( although that won't be a problem as I'm planning on using a mesh side window ) to help cool the heat sinks. I suppose some people might recommend the h100i or h100 to me for that reason, because it will provide better cooling for a small premium over the h60. I have to stress that at the current point in time, I don't have the need or want to over clock but I'd like to keep the somewhat hot ivy bridge chip cool.

I can understand why people like the white, but I'm still leaning towards the silver or the black. I don't know, I'm even taking out the led's in the chassis because I don't want the crazy lights and the pc will be on the cold hard wood floor underneath my desk. I live in Australia, and I'm looking at buying my parts from pc case gear because they have the best prices compared to other spots like jp computer solutions, for the life of me I couldn't find one with a window, although I really like the idea of the four 120mm's blowly cool air over the gpu and motherboard.

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I would go for a H100 or H100i, it kept my system nice and stable with an overclock of 4.8 .. and it fits perfectly up top with no modding and the fans on the outside, the H60 could be a bit limiting and the cost to get a H100 is not that much more. It is an excellent introduction to watercooling and the closed loop means no headaches, its just like plug and play.

I have only gone for a open loop because I wanted to cool my GPU's as my GTX690 always hits 90-100'C, if only you could get a closed loop system for your GPU I would'nt have gone for the open loop as it is $$$, still waiting for my waterblock for my GPU.. still 8+ weeks for delivery.

Anyway, I would Highly recommend the H100 or H100i .. fantastic kit. But be warned, once bitten by water cooling you will not go back thumb.gif

That's a very honest response. Like I said above, I can see why you've reccommended me that cooler. I'd go for the h100i if I was and I am considering it because I want the option of water cooling but being honest with myself, I am quite busy this year and I'm still a bit of a novice. I think water cooling, even just in terms of the performance you can get is absolutely awesome, I love the sound of the pump, I love the way it looks and the cooler system you can achieve, but I don't want to perform leak testing, or experience leaks. Another consideration is I do move my rig around a little, I sometimes take it to my place of employment, and to my mates houses just because they let me leave it there and download steam games because my internet sucks. I don't know how smart that would be with liquid cooling.. hmmm do the dual bay res's have tops on them? Haha that sounds dumb but I really would'nt have any idea. I would assume that you could still pick your system up.
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If I had known when it when I was looking I would have went silver. I think the silver looks bad ass with a red interior. Not many people have the silver either.
Water cooling is a very slippery slope my friend. I said the same exact thing when I started. I remember looking at the h100 and saying "damn I really dont want to spend more than $100 on cooling." Here we are over $1,500 my cooling system is almost complete. The one really big negative is the cards. I want to add two more 7970's for about $350-400 each. Then the Komodo water blocks are $170 each. so for me to add two more card its going to cost me over $1000.

I am going to decide tonight on the black or the silver, seriously. Thankyou for the response and again, I don't want to be spending $1500 just on water cooling when for my needs, gaming and general computer usage, I could get the same performance but run sligther hotter with spending the money for an h100i ( assuming I don't overclock, I wouldn't think there'd be much of a difference between the temps, maybe 5 degrees. but I'm not sure ).

I appreciate this advice alot because like I said earlier, I am in a good place financially for the first time in my life I have my car payed off, and my rent covered and savings, but I don't want to put that sort of money into my computer, simply because I don't need to. I guess that's what being a true enthusiast is about.
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Wow, no way is the H60 just like a stock heatsink. When I went from a stock heatsink to an H70, I dropped 20c off my temps while adding a 500MHz overclock, and the H70 barely (if at all) outperforms an H60.

If you were getting stock heatsink temps from your H60, there was something wrong.
Agree 100%. The H60 is a decent cooler.
That's hugely different from what you said in your first post above.
You must have had a problem. There are tons of happy H60 owners doing overclocks. Indeed, the H60 is better than the H50 and there was a massive number of people using the H50 for overclocking. If you couldn't keep anything cool with the H60, either you were doing something wrong, or there was something wrong with the cooler. Head over to the Hydro Cooler thread and ask the H60 owners how they like their H60s. I highly doubt they will say it won't keep anything cool.

There are lots of reviews and comparisons of closed loop water coolers on the web. They're really easy to find using Google. I have read a ton of them myself, and pretty much every single one places the H60 exactly where it should belong amongst Corsair's other Hydro series coolers.

When I moved from my H70 to the H100, on the same cpu, I got a 7c cooling difference. My changeover is documented in this thread right here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/831636/official-corsair-graphite-club/2650#post_14541003

I can also tell you that the H70 (as I mentioned already above) barely outperforms an H60. So, here you are going to have about a 7c difference between the H60 and the H100. If you want to be really generous, you could put that up to 9c to account for a couple c difference between an H60 and the H70 I am comparing it with. Of course, results may differ with the new H100i as it should be a few degrees c better than the H100.
Agree again. I'm using a 3.3GHz 2500k, and I'm overclocking it to 4.3GHz. At this point, my system can hit 70c if I am torturing it with Intel Burn Test. I like to keep my processor under 73c, so I allow it to top out at 70c. If I put my system up to 4.5GHz, imo my processor would be unacceptably warm. Besides, a 1GHz overclock is plenty for me. That extra 200MHz wouldn't make any practical difference. I would expect, with an H60, my system would be running at 4GHz and I would have been happy with that as well.

For people who want to squeeze every bit out of an overclock, the obvious solution is an open loop. The H100 is great, but it's not the high end of cooling.
There are closed loop water coolers for GPUs. Both store bought units and modded mounts for Corsair and other companies CPU coolers to allow them to work on video cards.

Here's one example: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39770

and here's an example of a mod bracket: http://www.overclock.net/t/1247567/h60-h80-h100-installed-on-gpu-bracket-inside#post_17085499

If I didn't have two video cards, I'd go for one of those arctic coolers and mount it in the rear exhaust position. Since I modded the bottom of my case for another 120mm intake fan, I may be able to fit two of those units in but I'm not sure I have the space between my cards to allow for the cooler. Plus they're pretty expensive.

That is also exceptional advice. In my personal situation, I don't want to overclock, not for lack of knowing how, but the simple fact that I don't need to and I can cool my cpu efficiently with a solid cooler at a good price. I'm really confused now about the h60 vs the h100i.. haha. Also I believe the h60 SE 2012 edition performs the same as the 70 you were referring to, I know it's priced at $89 AUD and so is the H70. I like the results that you posted they are indicative of the temps that I'll get and the temps I'm seeing on other users using the corsair closed loop units.

In summary, thankyou to everyone who has taken the time to help me consider my own needs for this system and the advice you provide! I am quite the novice but I'm ejoying being able to chill out and come here and ask for advice. I'll continue looking in the cooling department.

Cheers guys!
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