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Here's another question for owners of the 600t, with the meshed side panel. I am going to purchase a set of DEMCIflex filters with the case that includes the side panel filters. Anyway, I plan to have four 120mm fans on the side panel blowing directly onto the gpu and motherboard. I was looking at corsairs own AF and SP series, now from my limited understanding of physics! I would assume that the airflow would be great for creating air flow in a situation where the fans remain unobstructed and can easily just push air through, however would I buy the sp 120's over the af's because the fans have to pull air through the filters?

I would assume the filters would affect the flow of the fan and the sp120's would do a better job for this. I also looked at a couple of fans by cougar but i've had noe xperience with them. Cheers
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Here's another question for owners of the 600t, with the meshed side panel. I am going to purchase a set of DEMCIflex filters with the case that includes the side panel filters. Anyway, I plan to have four 120mm fans on the side panel blowing directly onto the gpu and motherboard. I was looking at corsairs own AF and SP series, now from my limited understanding of physics! I would assume that the airflow would be great for creating air flow in a situation where the fans remain unobstructed and can easily just push air through, however would I buy the sp 120's over the af's because the fans have to pull air through the filters?

I would assume the filters would affect the flow of the fan and the sp120's would do a better job for this. I also looked at a couple of fans by cougar but i've had noe xperience with them. Cheers

Oeh fans. I recently asked for some opinions in the air cooling section, and there's really a lot of different views on fans out there wink.gif. You could consider asking it there, but be prepared to hear a lot of different opinions. Some will say four fans on the side is overkill, some will recommend all sorts of fans that you have no real interest in and so on. But let me just say that I don't find it a weird idea and I think the Corsair fans are pretty nice.

So if you want to go with four fans on the side (keep in mind that temps might not be that different versus two fans on the side for example), I would personally go with the SP120 performance editions if it's the Corsair fans you're considering. Static pressure is indeed important for getting air through dust filters, as well as for the mesh itself. The AF120's might just come up short as they provide very little static pressure. Also, looking at the (performance editions) specs, you'll find that the AF120 moves 63.47 CFM, whereas the SP120 moves 62.74 CFM. Now, that's not a big difference at all TBH, but the difference in static pressure is significant (SP120's static pressure is 2.8 times higher than that of the AF120).

The only thing speaking against the SP120's in this comparison is noise. The SP120's are a bit louder than the AF120's. Personally, out of the Corsair fans, I'd take the SP120 performance editions and simply use the voltage adapters to under-volt them (if you they will be a lot quieter but also move less air). I'd never get the quiet editions myself as you can just make them quiet yourself, while still having the option massive performance.

One other reason for going with the SP120's would for me personally be that they will also be great on radiators if you ever decide to go watercooling.

Please note that I use the manufacturer's specs here, in reality it can always differ quite a bit.
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Oeh fans. I recently asked for some opinions in the air cooling section, and there's really a lot of different views on fans out there wink.gif. You could consider asking it there, but be prepared to hear a lot of different opinions. Some will say four fans on the side is overkill, some will recommend all sorts of fans that you have no real interest in and so on. But let me just say that I don't find it a weird idea and I think the Corsair fans are pretty nice.

So if you want to go with four fans on the side (keep in mind that temps might not be that different versus two fans on the side for example), I would personally go with the SP120 performance editions if it's the Corsair fans you're considering. Static pressure is indeed important for getting air through dust filters, as well as for the mesh itself. The AF120's might just come up short as they provide very little static pressure. Also, looking at the (performance editions) specs, you'll find that the AF120 moves 63.47 CFM, whereas the SP120 moves 62.74 CFM. Now, that's not a big difference at all TBH, but the difference in static pressure is significant (SP120's static pressure is 2.8 times higher than that of the AF120).

The only thing speaking against the SP120's in this comparison is noise. The SP120's are a bit louder than the AF120's. Personally, out of the Corsair fans, I'd take the SP120 performance editions and simply use the voltage adapters to under-volt them (if you they will be a lot quieter but also move less air). I'd never get the quiet editions myself as you can just make them quiet yourself, while still having the option massive performance.

One other reason for going with the SP120's would for me personally be that they will also be great on radiators if you ever decide to go watercooling.

Please note that I use the manufacturer's specs here, in reality it can always differ quite a bit.

Hey man, thanks for the reply.

Honestly, I don't mind overkill, I understand you can create both positive and negative air pressure inside the case and that it can leak in your system. However, I figured I'd use the front 200mm intake, four 120mm intakes on the side, two 120mm exhausts on the roof ( may use h100 or a h60 on the back )and a 120mm exhaust on the back. I'd be happy to kick it back too two 120mm fans, and to be honest, even if I did buy four, I'd probably test the system with two before four.

Well I just want to keep my system cool, I don't need arctic cool temps, just something that will keep my system cool, even running in the summer months. I don't usually use my pc in the middle of the hot day but sometimes my computer is on to install games, updates or just generally running, so I'd need to keep it cool in pretty hot temps.

I thought with all the cooling options I wouldn't need the performance editions with all the air moving inside the case. The performance editions are still quite loud, but like you said I can undervolt them, which I don't know how to do but I'll give it a read.

What are some other fans you'd reccommend, I am leaning towards the corsair sp series, but in terms of other brands?
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I've just ordered the Corsair 600TM which is the black 600t mesh side panel, black version. This case has everything I need and want, apart from the usb 3.0 header at the front having to run through the back of the case, but I may just use it as a usb 2.0 as I always use the back panel headers anyway so I don't have cords running across my desk.

Looking forward to building in this case, and putting together my pc not just for gaming, but to have a powerful pc around again is going to be absolutely awesome after being stuck with this macbook pro that has given me that many problems!!! Ugh... Don't get me wrong, I love Mac but god damn this thing has driven me crazy.

I'm going to be taking pictures of all the components as they arrive, it will be on my iphone though, haha.
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Hey man, thanks for the reply.

Honestly, I don't mind overkill, I understand you can create both positive and negative air pressure inside the case and that it can leak in your system. However, I figured I'd use the front 200mm intake, four 120mm intakes on the side, two 120mm exhausts on the roof ( may use h100 or a h60 on the back )and a 120mm exhaust on the back. I'd be happy to kick it back too two 120mm fans, and to be honest, even if I did buy four, I'd probably test the system with two before four.

Well I just want to keep my system cool, I don't need arctic cool temps, just something that will keep my system cool, even running in the summer months. I don't usually use my pc in the middle of the hot day but sometimes my computer is on to install games, updates or just generally running, so I'd need to keep it cool in pretty hot temps.

I thought with all the cooling options I wouldn't need the performance editions with all the air moving inside the case. The performance editions are still quite loud, but like you said I can undervolt them, which I don't know how to do but I'll give it a read.

What are some other fans you'd reccommend, I am leaning towards the corsair sp series, but in terms of other brands?

I never mind overkill either lol thumb.gif

Please note that I'm no true fan expert (there are others out here that have literally tested dozens of different fans), but I've read so much lately that I think I have a decent general understanding by now.

The general rule of thumb generally is: better performance equals more noise. There are some slight deviations of course, but this is simply what it comes down to generally. Also note that generally good airflow is more important than lots of air.

Personally, I tend to look for the following in a fan: a balance between performance, noise, and last but not least looks. There are many fans out there of these thicker server-style fans, but these generally aren't my thing; they tend to be boring looking and extremely loud. There's also many fans out there of silent fans. I like them more, but I can tolerate a bit of noise, so I generally like a bit more performance compared to the real silent fans. So, that's my personal view on the manner, and you have to realize that what I would recommend is generally based on this perspective.

I think the Corsair fans are good fans. They perform well, are not too loud (except for the performance editions on full speed), and relatively inexpensive. Also, I think they look really great, some of the best looking fans out there. Sure, there's cheaper alternatives out there, but they generally look more flimsy to me. These Corsair fans are currently quite popular, and I think for a reason (got an SP120 on my H60 myself, really nice).

Another fan series I like is the Bitfenix Spectre Pro series. Opinions on this fan series are bit more varied though, keep that in mind. On heatsinks and radiators they perform mediocre. As a case fan on the other hand they perform just fine. I've experienced them as 'pretty quiet', and in my opinion they look really really great, even better than the Corsair ones in my opinion. Also, the series has LED fans, which I personally really like because I want some white light in my case. There are also 200mm variants which you can replace your front intake with. This is what I did, I replaced the front fan with a 200mm Bitfenix Spectre Pro, and the top fan with 2 120mm Spectre Pro's. The result looks really good in my opinion, see here:

With four of these on my mesh it would look quite awesome I think. These fans aren't massively expensive, but they aren't cheap either, generally 20% over the Corsair (where I live that is). Overall, I'd say fine case fans that look stunning while staying rather quiet.

The Noctua fans are also fans that should definitely be mentioned here. First the worst part: the price. 20 euro's a piece is not unusual for a general Noctua where I live. Everybody I know of who owns fans of this brand is extremely happy with them though. They have a great reputation for quality. At first I hated the brown looks, but I must say it has grown on me. Try looking at one for an hour or so wink.gif. They are silence oriented fans, while they still perform relatively great. People who replace for example the H100 fans with these report roughly equal performance at highly reduced noise levels.

I also read about a lot of people being enthusiastic about the Gentle Typhoons, I don't like the look of them though and they seem like rather 'normal' fans otherwise to me. Might be worth looking into though if you'd care.

So there you have it, 3 series of fans which I think are excellent in the area of performance/looks/noise balance. It's all opinion of course, and there's so many out there wink.gif. I don't generally look at really cheap fans or turbine sound server grade fans though, so if that's what you'd want I cannot really help you out.

Now about under-volting. It's nothing complicated really. The Corsair SP120 performance editions come with 7 volt adapters (fans generally run at 12v). Connect these, and there you have it: under-volted. Simply makes the fan run slower, and thus more quiet (but it also move a bit less air). Fan controllers basically do the same thing, but allow for a range of voltage settings. And that's why I like the Corsair performance editions more over the quiet editions. They cost about the same but you can always let the performance editions run at quiet edition speeds, but not the other way around.

Hope this helps a bit thumb.gif

I like your reasoning by the way, I've actually just recently put the mesh in my case (with currently a single fan). Even though I used a cheap fan, it reduced the temps of my hottest Asus 670 with around 7-8 degrees (these Asus cards exhaust a lot of hot air into the case). I'm planning of putting four in there as well, but I'll also test two first and if more doesn't make a lot of difference I'll stick to two (I'll buy four and test with them, if I've got two left I'm putting them in my spare rig). I'm probably going for Noctua NF-F12's myself.
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I bought the case when it first came out. It didnt have an option of the mesh panel back then. So I made my own to support 6 Gentle Typhoon 2150 RPM fans with a lot less restrictive aluminium honeycomb mesh. I also bought a custom sized DEMCIflex filter thats 240x360 to filter the air they are dragging into my system as intake.

I have 6 more fans, all Akasa Vipers and new Pirhannas(great static pressure with large RPM range), all on radiators as exhaust, controlled via PWM via my Aquaero LT. The result is and nice quite rig running at 95% CPU and 100% for both GPUs while crunching for BOINC mapping the Milkyway and helping the folks at the LHC thumb.gif

Like Kees said, everyone has an opinion of fans and airflow. The best way to figure it out is to test for yourself. IMO positive pressure with filters is very important, PWM fans for life, static pressure where you need it and high flow where you dont, and dont be afraid to spend more than you like on cooling your first go around. You more than likely will end up upgrading later when/if you are not satisfied with the results, and after seeing all the killer builds here lol my 2cents.gif
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Hello.

I have been throw a lot of forums and I found this today, and this is the perfect place to ask my question;

Does the EK WB KIT H3O 240 HFX fit in the Corsair Graphite 600t?

I want the radiators on top of the case, with two fans under and two fans over (under the dust filter on top)

Thanks for answers.
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Hello.

I have been throw a lot of forums and I found this today, and this is the perfect place to ask my question;

Does the EK WB KIT H3O 240 HFX fit in the Corsair Graphite 600t?

I want the radiators on top of the case, with two fans under and two fans over (under the dust filter on top)

Thanks for answers.

No it won't, unless you mount the rad offset to get a P/P config. The other way is to set the rad on top of the grill and mount fans on bottom and top, but this way you won't be able to put the dust cover on top. Then there's the slim fans that you can use but I'm not sure how well those fans work with rads.
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I never mind overkill either lol thumb.gif

Please note that I'm no true fan expert (there are others out here that have literally tested dozens of different fans), but I've read so much lately that I think I have a decent general understanding by now.

The general rule of thumb generally is: better performance equals more noise. There are some slight deviations of course, but this is simply what it comes down to generally. Also note that generally good airflow is more important than lots of air.

Personally, I tend to look for the following in a fan: a balance between performance, noise, and last but not least looks. There are many fans out there of these thicker server-style fans, but these generally aren't my thing; they tend to be boring looking and extremely loud. There's also many fans out there of silent fans. I like them more, but I can tolerate a bit of noise, so I generally like a bit more performance compared to the real silent fans. So, that's my personal view on the manner, and you have to realize that what I would recommend is generally based on this perspective.

I think the Corsair fans are good fans. They perform well, are not too loud (except for the performance editions on full speed), and relatively inexpensive. Also, I think they look really great, some of the best looking fans out there. Sure, there's cheaper alternatives out there, but they generally look more flimsy to me. These Corsair fans are currently quite popular, and I think for a reason (got an SP120 on my H60 myself, really nice).

Another fan series I like is the Bitfenix Spectre Pro series. Opinions on this fan series are bit more varied though, keep that in mind. On heatsinks and radiators they perform mediocre. As a case fan on the other hand they perform just fine. I've experienced them as 'pretty quiet', and in my opinion they look really really great, even better than the Corsair ones in my opinion. Also, the series has LED fans, which I personally really like because I want some white light in my case. There are also 200mm variants which you can replace your front intake with. This is what I did, I replaced the front fan with a 200mm Bitfenix Spectre Pro, and the top fan with 2 120mm Spectre Pro's. The result looks really good in my opinion, see here:

With four of these on my mesh it would look quite awesome I think. These fans aren't massively expensive, but they aren't cheap either, generally 20% over the Corsair (where I live that is). Overall, I'd say fine case fans that look stunning while staying rather quiet.

The Noctua fans are also fans that should definitely be mentioned here. First the worst part: the price. 20 euro's a piece is not unusual for a general Noctua where I live. Everybody I know of who owns fans of this brand is extremely happy with them though. They have a great reputation for quality. At first I hated the brown looks, but I must say it has grown on me. Try looking at one for an hour or so wink.gif. They are silence oriented fans, while they still perform relatively great. People who replace for example the H100 fans with these report roughly equal performance at highly reduced noise levels.

I also read about a lot of people being enthusiastic about the Gentle Typhoons, I don't like the look of them though and they seem like rather 'normal' fans otherwise to me. Might be worth looking into though if you'd care.

So there you have it, 3 series of fans which I think are excellent in the area of performance/looks/noise balance. It's all opinion of course, and there's so many out there wink.gif. I don't generally look at really cheap fans or turbine sound server grade fans though, so if that's what you'd want I cannot really help you out.

Now about under-volting. It's nothing complicated really. The Corsair SP120 performance editions come with 7 volt adapters (fans generally run at 12v). Connect these, and there you have it: under-volted. Simply makes the fan run slower, and thus more quiet (but it also move a bit less air). Fan controllers basically do the same thing, but allow for a range of voltage settings. And that's why I like the Corsair performance editions more over the quiet editions. They cost about the same but you can always let the performance editions run at quiet edition speeds, but not the other way around.

Hope this helps a bit thumb.gif

I like your reasoning by the way, I've actually just recently put the mesh in my case (with currently a single fan). Even though I used a cheap fan, it reduced the temps of my hottest Asus 670 with around 7-8 degrees (these Asus cards exhaust a lot of hot air into the case). I'm planning of putting four in there as well, but I'll also test two first and if more doesn't make a lot of difference I'll stick to two (I'll buy four and test with them, if I've got two left I'm putting them in my spare rig). I'm probably going for Noctua NF-F12's myself.

I've also read about many people using and praising the scythe gentle typhoons. As I'm doing a completely air cooled ( minus the cpu cooler ) build, I want to make sure I'm using good quality fans and that they are going to move air well. The static pressure is important in some areas of my case and I've been looking at the corsair sp series as well as the cougar series fans.The fan's looks aren't that important to me, I don't want any led's in the case and I'll always have the side mesh panel on, but led's are not welcome in my room, especially while I am trying to sleep or when I'm doing uni work. I've never been a fan of Coolermaster fans to be honest, I've read good things about them but the fans that stuck out to me were the Corsair AF / SP series and the Cougar CF-V12HB fans.

I'll take a look at the bitfenix spectre pro fans, they seem to be reasonably cheap and I'm a big fan of bitfenix products, in particular, their budget gaming cases, like the shinobi and the raider. Again, looks dont matter all that much, as long as they are clean and have no leds ( yes I am boring ).

Oh okay, so under volting sounds relatively simple. Would you be able to change the undervolting options in the bios or would it run at 7v because of the 7v adapter. Does the adapter go directly into the fan header on the motherboard? I'm looking at a few lamptron fan controllers, but I need one that is quite subtle and easy to use. I will probably use it control all my case fans or at least the ones that are going to be loud. I'm not entirely certain that I want to use a fan controller yet though.

I appreciate your suggestions. I'm still looking, but as the case is going to arrive monday, before I install and order any more components, I want to fit the fans into the case to get an idea of the cooling I'm going to use. Here was my plan :

I am going to buy and install four 120mm fans on the side mesh panel, these will be intake. I am going to buy and install two 120mm fans on the top panel underneath the mesh, these will be exhaust. I am going to buy and install a 120mm fan on the back panel, this will be an exhaust ( possibly mounted to a H60 rad ). I am going to buy and install a 200mm fan on the front panel behind the front mesh, this will be an intake.

Side panel fans : 4 x Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Case Fan ( Intake )

Top panel fans : 2 x Cougar CF-V12H Vortex Hydro-Dynamic-Bearing 120mm Orange ( Exhaust )

Back panel fans : 1 x Cougar CF-V12HB Vortex Hydro-Dynamic-Bearing 120mm ( exhaust )

Front panel fans : 1 x NZXT 200mm Rifle Bearing Fan ( Intake ) OR

1 x BitFenix Spectre Pro 200mm Black Fan ( Intake

I'm still deciding on whether on what CPU cooler that I'm going to go with, although at this point it looks like I'm going to go with a corsair closed loop system, probably something like the h60 or the h100 or h100i, I'm undecided. Leaning towards the h60 more as I'm not doing overclocking, at least if I did, it would not be till I need that extra performance for games, and even then it'd be a few hundred mhz. Cheers


EDIT: Do I want 3 pin or 4 pin PWM fan headers? Cheers
Edited by CurtTerror - 2/7/13 at 10:54pm
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