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post #921 of 18197
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Oh hey, why are the fans never PWM? I would love to be able to plug the 200mm fans into my main board headers and let the BIOS control them like I do with the Scythe 120mm PWM fans I used on the H70. Even if the 200mm fans were 1000RPM, they would still be quiet most of the time. I don't personally understand why we advanced to PWM and are now backtracking to 3 pin which is clearly inferior. Controlling a 3 pin fan requires a control circuit to control the 12V and handle the current flow, while all a PWM control circuit has to do is create a low current PWM signal and let the fan take care of the speed. Add the benefit that you can still use voltage control on a PWM fan, and personally I don't see any advantages to 3 pin fans at all. Not even price since a good 120mm PWM fan only costs $9.
Actually, it is a price issue for the most part. PWM fans can cost 30% to 100% more than the standard equivalent fan. This doesn't sound like much, but it can be the difference between selling a case for $99 or selling it for $119. And that $20 may not sound like much, but most people wouldn't pay more for the exact same chassis just because it has PWM fans. Heck, most people who buy cases don't know the difference between a PWM fan and a standard fan. And anybody that would care about PWM fans would likely be replacing the fans with their own so it's kind of a moot point.

You guys have to remember that people as knowledgeable as you are 1% (at best) of the possible market. Think about it. How many friends do you have that look to you for computer advice? 5? 10? 50? When you count family members into that, how high does it go?

I mean, the reason I joined forums back in the 90s was to talk to people who knew more than I did about things because none of my friends cared about the difference between the BX and HX chipset or 3Dfx vs. NVIDIA. Wow, I'm old.

But my point is that it's easy for us to talk to one another and just assume that everybody thinks like we do. When I see a product from a competitor my first thoughts go to "What's cool about this?" and then "What's not cool about this?" and I make a mental checklist. "Like the looks, stupid decision on the power button, dust filters look good, radiator compatibility sucks, cable routing sucks..." stuff like that. I'm sure you guys do the same thing. Most people who buy a case are buying for two reasons: price and appearance. The slightly more technical care a bit about cooling. A step more technical and you get to people who care about noise and expansion. And then eventually you get to us, where we'll have 12 page long discussions about door latches on the side panel or PWM vs standard fans.

But I wouldn't have it any other way. At least this way I know that somebody cares about the little details.
post #922 of 18197
Has anyone tried to fit a Zalman ZM-F4 135mm fan (or any other 135/120 hybrid fan) on the rear of the 600T?

The fan has 120mm mounting holes but I'm not sure if it will fit in-between the IO shield and the side panel of the case.

The holes in the case itself allowing air flow appear to extend past a typical 120mm fan so it may perhaps take advantage of a 135mm without having to mod anything.
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Has anyone tried to fit a Zalman ZM-F4 135mm fan (or any other 135/120 hybrid fan) on the rear of the 600T?

The fan has 120mm mounting holes but I'm not sure if it will fit in-between the IO shield and the side panel of the case.

The holes in the case itself allowing air flow appear to extend past a typical 120mm fan so it may perhaps take advantage of a 135mm without having to mod anything.
I was thinking about the same thing as well. Wanted to get one of those Scythe Slipstream 140mm fans that were made to fit 120mm mounting holes.
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Hi (heavens to) Mergatroid ; ) thanks for the info; no, nothing fancy like that, just 7 drives, all separate volumes is all. I was tempted again by the charms of the 600T, and was hovering over buying one, but after the disaster that is no option to mount a 200mm fan in the side, which would have kept airflow, and noise constant, that forced me against it. My new build will be in my part of the large chill/sleeping room, and on 24/7 so it needs to be really quiet, and cool. So I have plumped for my second Silverstone case, a Raven 2 Evo this time [and will bung a 3xhd tray in the front with probably a quiet Scythe fan to cool them.

I don't get Corsair George's theory that 1% of his customers know what they are doing, that sounds pretty absurd imho, maybe for store branded cases, but I doubt your average idiot buys Corsair. Anyhow, one lost sale (due to Corsair underestimating its customer base).
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Well, isn't someone being a fussy prima donna. Lol.
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I don't get Corsair George's theory that 1% of his customers know what they are doing, that sounds pretty absurd imho, maybe for store branded cases, but I doubt your average idiot buys Corsair. Anyhow, one lost sale (due to Corsair underestimating its customer base).
Sorry that we lost you as a customer. Maybe next time around we'll have a case you like.
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Fussy is my middle name Vertigo lol +1 rep for you!

Corsair George, I hope so, in fact, I'm pretty sure if you guys start including freak friendly features like full fan installation options, standard fan width sizes etc, for sure...

I'd love to see Corsair design and market something bold like the Cosmos 1000...A standout American case, roomy, brash, built to last, full to the brim of options, the kind of case geeks n freaks just couldn't resist...

How about a new "enthusiast" line? Something designed in conjunction with the talented users of people from here, Afterdawn, OC3D etc?

Please don't get my negativity wrong, its just born of frustration. I'm oldish, cantankerous and fussy; I bloody love your PSU products, own 2 HX's already, and from my experience with them, will be a lifelong Corsair PSU customer, and always recommend them, with good reason. I can't wait for you guys to break out of the current line, and look forward to your future products. Your headphones look amazing, wish I could afford some!

I'll end on this: I love steel. I miss seeing products Made in America. Corsair, be ambitious!
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I'd love to see Corsair design and market something bold like the Cosmos 1000...A standout American case, roomy, brash, built to last, full to the brim of options, the kind of case geeks n freaks just couldn't resist...
You won't buy the 600T because you can't mount a 200mm fan in the side panel, but you want Corsair to "design and market" a case with no side panel fans at all?
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post #929 of 18197
You could just mod you case and buy one and mount it there 600T is the best acse around in my book.
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post #930 of 18197
Twelve - no, not at all, something like - you may recall the Cosmos was pretty much unlike anything on the market at the time? That was my point, it helps to read something properly before attempting a poor mans trolling...

ra, true, but, why should I really have to? Anyhoo, off this thread now as its Raven 02 Evo all the way for this build ; )
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