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i dont see how you guys are not liking the idea of 50gb discs i think this will revolutionise console gaming and therefore pc gaming too! ok we all know that bigger is better lately and ok maybe this is a little forward thinking but i cant wait for games to be 50gb imagine how good the graphics will be, now we are moving into virtual reality LMAO
Larger disks do not make graphics any better. Any game out today, including Oblivion, fits on a single DVD. In fact, Oblivion only takes up 4.8GB, which is enough to fit on a single-layer DVD. A 9GB dual-layer DVD will be plenty of storage for games that come out in the next few years. We dont need Sony shoving an overpriced format down our throats years before we need it.
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post #12 of 26
^^ exactly.. All this will do it make prices higher

I like this alot better

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1539
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Also, keep in mind that the average consumer is still looking at the $60 Xbox360 game as being too expensive and those are shipping on standard DVDs

I highly doubt that Sony will release Blu-Ray discs and have them be the same amount of money.

1 - DVD-R disc costs $3 (in 20 pack bulk)
1 - Blu-Ray costs $50

Somehow I dont think PS3 games will be $60 if they ship on standard Blu-Ray.

Since most games are around $40-$50 on old format and DVD Movies are typically between $15-$25, I would venture a guess that with the new format, Blu-Ray DVDs will be around $35-$40 and PS3 games will near $75-$80

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^^ exactly.. All this will do it make prices higher

I like this alot better

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1539
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post #14 of 26
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Didn't Sont talk about the stand-alone BluRay drives and say that they were like ungodly expensive somthing like $1000 or so?
Yes, and that's why they are going to sell a LOT of PS3s

Sure, the PS3 won't have all the bells and whistles of the stand alones, but there are tons of people who will find it just perfect to play their Blu-Rays and get their gaming fix.



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Larger disks do not make graphics any better. Any game out today, including Oblivion, fits on a single DVD. In fact, Oblivion only takes up 4.8GB, which is enough to fit on a single-layer DVD. A 9GB dual-layer DVD will be plenty of storage for games that come out in the next few years.

Really? I wonder what games we would be playing if people felt that there was no need to put games on a DVD, because games looked good enough on a standard CD. Or no reason to move to CD because cartridge was getting it done.

Games require code, code requires space, so logically more space means more code means better looking and better playing games. It's extremely shortsighted to say we don't need better technology because we are fine with what we have. And as I mentioned before, games could be made much longer. Aren't people sick of paying $60 to play a game for a month and beat it and be done with it? Even if the graphics and motion capture coding doesn't get better, could you imagine a game that looks as good as FEAR but having over 600 hours of gameplay? Sounds good to me.
post #15 of 26
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Yes, and that's why they are going to sell a LOT of PS3s

Sure, the PS3 won't have all the bells and whistles of the stand alones, but there are tons of people who will find it just perfect to play their Blu-Rays and get their gaming fix.






Really? I wonder what games we would be playing if people felt that there was no need to put games on a DVD, because games looked good enough on a standard CD. Or no reason to move to CD because cartridge was getting it done.

Games require code, code requires space, so logically more space means more code means better looking and better playing games. It's extremely shortsighted to say we don't need better technology because we are fine with what we have. And as I mentioned before, games could be made much longer. Aren't people sick of paying $60 to play a game for a month and beat it and be done with it? Even if the graphics and motion capture coding doesn't get better, could you imagine a game that looks as good as FEAR but having over 600 hours of gameplay? Sounds good to me.

.. Erm. Its textures that require space. Textures get high compressed with very good technology. That much space isnt required as of yet. Look at Oblivion. Thats on a DVD. 50 gb or whatever plainly is not necessary. As compression tecniques improve it counters the need for bigger capacity, even with longer playtime. And long playtime really isnt hard to achieve. And no one would want a FPS that lasts 600 hours. Long lasting games should be RPG's. Shorter games should be FPS. Plain and simple, because its harder to keep a FPS going. While with a RPG it isnt.

Also game coding.. Game coding really doesnt take up that much space. Game Coding is code. Like HTML, only more complex. But its still just numbers and letters ect. That really doesnt take up much space lol. Its textures, which like I said get compressed, and compressed textures load faster than uncompressed because the system can load more textures at a single time.

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There were alot of reasons to move to CD from cartridge, you dont know why though by saying that.. Its the level of textures that could be stored on cartridges. Streaming video wasnt really possible, like cutscenes you see in Final Fantasy VII, or Final Fantasy VIII. Along with music quality as well. So thats not a fair comparison. On the other hand, games have NOT moved from CD to DVD. Both are still used. There are CD and DVD versions of a game.
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post #16 of 26
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.. Erm. Its textures that require space. Textures get high compressed with very good technology. That much space isnt required as of yet. Look at Oblivion. Thats on a DVD. 50 gb or whatever plainly is not necessary. As compression tecniques improve it counters the need for bigger capacity, even with longer playtime. And long playtime really isnt hard to achieve. And no one would want a FPS that lasts 600 hours.
#1 - You proved my point. Of course 50GB is not required yet. Why would you design a game that could not be made with current technology?

#2 - Compression is not an ideal solution, ever watch a DVD that has been compressed? Bad quality.

#3 - Wrong. I would be most interetsed in a game with 600 hours of gameplay. Even if I were alone (and I am not) your statement that "No one would want a FPS that lasts 600 hours." is incorrect, as I would, and I am not no one.



Everyone is entitlted to their opinion, I feel that the future is where we should strive to go, if you disagree that is fine.

There is nothing left to say.


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There were alot of reasons to move to CD from cartridge, you dont know why though by saying that.. Its the level of textures that could be stored on cartridges. Streaming video wasnt really possible, like cutscenes you see in Final Fantasy VII, or Final Fantasy VIII. Along with music quality as well. So thats not a fair comparison.
Again, you are welcome to your opinion, but I would thank you not to tell me what I know and don't know. I never said the only reson to change was this, or that. The fact is they had to move from cartridge to CD, you're comments on why do not change the fact that the change was needed. And I don't recall anyone complaining about these "new fangled CDs" as not needed yet when they first came out.
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#1 - You proved my point. Of course 50GB is not required yet. Why would you design a game that could not be made with current technology?

#2 - Compression is not an ideal solution, ever watch a DVD that has been compressed? Bad quality.

#3 - Wrong. I would be most interetsed in a game with 600 hours of gameplay. Even if I were alone (and I am not) your statement that "No one would want a FPS that lasts 600 hours." is incorrect, as I would, and I am not no one.



Everyone is entitlted to their opinion, I feel that the future is where we should strive to go, if you disagree that is fine.

There is nothing left to say.




Again, you are welcome to your opinion, but I would thank you not to tell me what I know and don't know. I never said the only reson to change was this, or that. The fact is they had to move from cartridge to CD, you're comments on why do not change the fact that the change was needed. And I don't recall anyone complaining about these "new fangled CDs" as not needed yet when they first came out.

Dont compare DVD movie compression to game texture compression . Totally different in the way its handled and compressed.

And no they didnt *have* to move to cartridge, but it was alot better to with the ability to stream CGI movies, and play higher quality movies along with store more. Cartridge at that time was reaching some limits and it was more expensive to produce than a CD. Blu-Ray on the other hand costs more for no benefit really.

And I havent even put friggen 600 hours into Counter Strike. I doubt ANYONE would stay interested that long, even you in your disagreeing glory..

50Gb wouldnt be needed for awhile. Way past the PS3, probably past the "PS4". Dual Layer DVD's have done what they have needed, and as newer game engines and better compression tecniques come out the need for it decreases.

I dont see how that is the "future".

A 600 hour game could be made to fit onto a DVD or two just fine more than likely. Just develop a sofisticated enough game engine and archiving system and your set.

Another thing.. Please, tell me.. Is there any graphical difference between a CD version and DVD version?
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A Blu-Ray disk player would be amazing, more GB than an ipod haha, especially with the new 200GB TDK disk that they devoloped
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage...411153742.html
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I say we should all just support these..

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1539

cheaper hold more. owned.
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I say we should all just support these..

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1539

cheaper hold more. owned.
100GB disk tops, please look at link above, its a 200GB Blu-Ray Disk
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