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post #11 of 56
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Originally Posted by Remonster
Thats just the thing Enterprise, these nay sayers are doubting Anand's test where it beat an FX60, in this new link the Athlon 64 @ 2.8GHz is beating the Conroe in many tests. I still have my doubts, once Conroe comes out we will see who truly is king and personally I HOPE its Intel, they deserve to be on top for a while lol. I think I personally made the right choice, got a mobo which most likely is compatible with Conroe (975x manufactured after January) but got a bad ass CPU that will serve me well if I decide to just stick wtih it.
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post #12 of 56
It would seem that the findings in the article in the first post show that the tests may not have been adequate to test the full cpu/memory interface.

Specifically the utilization of more memory than is available in L2.


***EDIT

I am no nay-sayer. I say "look at the results!". They were normalized too!! (bringing conroe's results UP by a factor relative to the difference in clock speeds)

The release will be extremely interesting! And...whichever processor is best, will hold the crown.
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post #13 of 56
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE1701
Well it cant be denied that Conroe Will be a good CPU either way. Lets face it it Beat the FX 60 so thats an indication of a pretty good CPU.
That's not going to be good enough, though. Intel can't stay in second place any longer or even the average consumer will begin looking at AMD as an option. As it stands now, most of the population still believes that AMD sells slower, cheaper processors compared to Intel. I can't tell you how many people I build computers for that simply tell me "I want Intel because they're better." Keep in mind, these are people that don't know the difference between a Mhz and a Mbyte. The Conroe can't simply beat the FX60 and everything will be peachy. Intel dumped their old architecture that had the great advertising spec of higher clock speeds. Now with the newer chips, Intel can no longer hide behind customer ignorance that higher processor speeds equals higher performance. Customers will be forced to become somewhat educated when shopping for a cpu and will actually start looking at performance instead of clock speed. If they don't, they'll be noticing that AMD has higher clocked processors and will assume they're faster and Intel will lose market share. It's way to early to tell how good Conroe actually is, but beating the FX-60 isn't good enough IMO.
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post #14 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Remonster
I HOPE its Intel, they deserve to be on top for a while lol.
I Would agree, but I think amd is the better chipmaker right now. When the market share is closer to 50/50 then I wouldnt mind them trading off the top spot every now and then. As it is, intel has 90% of the market share, and amd has around 10%
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post #15 of 56
so are you gyus disregarding the test that being done to conroe by Victor Wang of Xtremesystem? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=95021
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post #16 of 56
Its all deceptive advertizeing, Its call Marketing, and they use the general population who don't know squat about computers to sell there wares.

I will hold judgment after the chips released to the general public.
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post #17 of 56
Notice how they didnt test with any of the same benchmarks that Anandtech used? Suspicious if you ask me. Perhaps some of these particular tests do really well on AMD CPUs. All that matters to me is how well it performs in games and commonly used programs, not some obscure scientific benchmarks.

Anandtech's benches have more merit, since their credibility is at stake. These "basement benchmarkers" are not well known, so they dont have to worry about losing any credibility. It is possible they could have easily skewed these tests in AMDs favor, for example installing the wrong BIOS or mobo drivers to hinder Conroe's performance. Or they could have gone with good old Photoshop. Screenshots dont mean anything if you cant prove its coming from a reliable source.

Im taking all this with a dump truck full of salt. Ill wait until the more legit sites like Anandtech, Xbit Labs and Toms Hardware get ahold of their own Conroe systems.
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post #18 of 56
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Originally Posted by HrnyGoat
Perhaps some of these particular tests do really well on AMD CPUs.
"The following results were obtained by running 32 bit ScienceMark binaries optimized for Intel Pentium:"

The ScienceMark benchmark is used because it doesnt test the video card. It is raw CPU/MEM power.

That blog said AMD is going to release a 65nm product by June 06! News to me? Is this true?
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post #19 of 56
Well I figure this much at least, Conroe will get Intel back to about even. Maybe ahead in some benches and behind in other's. As to all of the pre-release benches. it's hard for me to put much stock into those cuz they are being done on hardware that not slated to be released for 5 - 6 month's. And I think that we all know that these companies (no matter who they are) cook these benches to a certain extent. Also I expect to see a 3 ghz. X2 this year which will add additional pressure on Conroe.
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Interesting read. Nice to see that my switch from Intel to AMD over the last two years won't be invalidated. It seems pretty reliable to me . I am looking forward to when Tom;s and HardOCP get their hands on a test chip. I have a hunch Intel may be blowing smoke.
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