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post #10581 of 16291
I'd suggest looking at the Define xl r2 before ordering an R4. It's not that much bigger than the R4 and offers a few significant advantages. Longer psu while still using bottom fan mount, rotatable and relocatable bottom had cage, more clearance on top fan mounts, enough 5.25 bays to mount a 120 mm fan, more gpu clearance.
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post #10582 of 16291
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Originally Posted by taem View Post

I'd suggest looking at the Define xl r2 before ordering an R4. It's not that much bigger than the R4 and offers a few significant advantages. Longer psu while still using bottom fan mount, rotatable and relocatable bottom had cage, more clearance on top fan mounts, enough 5.25 bays to mount a 120 mm fan, more gpu clearance.

Interesting, 120mm fan option in the top? 140 would be preferable. I have 3 120 intakes in my Antec1200.. Had to change stock to Enermax fans as stock was way to loud..

I think I can deal with one less fan in the front. I'll miss the dual 120mm rear and 200mm top fans in the Antec but sound seems like my biggest problem at the moment. As well as the side window lol.. Antec 1200 has a very ugly side window. mad.gif

I think I'll get a new psu before committing to a new case. Although, maybe it's time for a brand new build! first gen i7-930 p6x58d premium build here. lol.. I doubt the girlfriend will be as excited about the idea.
post #10583 of 16291
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Interesting, 120mm fan option in the top? 140 would be preferable. I have 3 120 intakes in my Antec1200.. Had to change stock to Enermax fans as stock was way to loud..

I think I can deal with one less fan in the front. I'll miss the dual 120mm rear and 200mm top fans in the Antec but sound seems like my biggest problem at the moment. As well as the side window lol.. Antec 1200 has a very ugly side window. mad.gif

I think I'll get a new psu before committing to a new case. Although, maybe it's time for a brand new build! first gen i7-930 p6x58d premium build here. lol.. I doubt the girlfriend will be as excited about the idea.

What I'm finding with the R4, the lower front fan is almost totally obstructed by the hdd cage, it's basically an hdd cooling fan. And if you install a long videocard, that bisects the airflow from the upper front fan as well. It gets even worse if you have a lot of hdds and need the upper hdd cage. A videocard also obstructs airflow from the bottom fan mount and bisects the airflow from the side mount. Basically, with a long videocard like a Sapphire 280x toxic, all the intake just feeds the gpu and the cpu cooler area just gets the hot air exhausted by the gpu. Without the videocard temps are great; with a videocard cpu and mobo temps go way up.

That's why I want a fan in the 5.25 bays, but with only two 5.25 bays in the R4, you're limited to an 80mm fan. With the four 5.25 bays in the XL R2, you can mount a 120mm fan to feed some air directly to the cpu cooler. I've never tried this config and don't know how much it would help. But at least it's an option in the XL R2. I'm sure you could fit a 140mm fan up there as well but I can only find 120mm fan mounts that go into 5.25 bays and I'm not a modder.

And if you use the bottom fan mount in the R4 -- which you probably should since like I said, the lower front intake is almost totally obstructed -- you are limited to 160mm depth psu's. Not many options, basically an xfx 850w or a silverstone strider up to 1000w. Or thortech lol.

With the XL R2, I can remove the upper drive cage and still fit 4 hdds in the lower cage, which I can move to the bottom fan mount to allow the lower front fan airflow to actually reach the chassis chamber. There's more depth so the upper front fan airflow has more distance to diffuse upward into the cpu area before it gets bisected by the videocard. And I can feed a bit more cool air to the cpu cooler with a 120mm fan in the 5.25 bays. And I can fit a psu beefy enough to take overclocked cpu and dual oc'd Gpus. And again, the XL R2 is not that much bigger than the R4, and the price is very similar. Right now XL R2 is $100 at newegg, free ship.
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post #10584 of 16291
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i got mine on my right side on the floor, i don't see the problem... i can easily see over the door, so...? if i'd put it on my desk it would be annoying, but not on the floor tongue.gif

Don't you have a problem with accidentally reset when you operating your R4 from the top?
post #10585 of 16291
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Don't you have a problem with accidentally reset when you operating your R4 from the top?
no... as i said, it's a rather noticeable, round, clicky button... you don't touch it by accident.
post #10586 of 16291
If I potentially add the second front fan at the bottom, it brings me cool down the GPU and CPU little bit?
What about fans noise at 12V, can it be operate without doubt?
post #10587 of 16291
You will hear the fans at 12v, but nothing even close to being considered loud. A low hum sound. Any lower than 12v and they are pretty much dead silent.
post #10588 of 16291
If you are interested in the define R2 XL, Newegg has them for $99. And if you don't like Newegg, NCIX will price match it for $100 with $8 ground shipping.
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post #10589 of 16291
Gene0, what's your take on this whole inflation of case prices? I picked up my R4 last year Black Friday at Memory Express Canada for $70, regular $85 or so. Now it's over $100 easily.
post #10590 of 16291
I have been out of that for a few years. Lots of things have been inflating though I guess. When I bought my R3 case it wasn't even sold in the US and I bought t from NCIX Canada. CPU coolers are quite a bit more too (e.g. Noctua NH-D14 is now $80 and it used to be $50). I guess they keep nudging up the price and still see better profits - haven't hit enthusiasts pain point yet.

You think this is bad. I do wildlife photography (not much anymore). I bought a 500mm les for such for $5500 8 years ago. The replacement model is $10,200 now (and the price has gone down some). Priced me out of that enthusiast market. But at least the lens held value.
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Samsung 850 PRO  Samsung 850 EVO 1TB Western Digitial Caviar Black 2 TB Western Digital Caviar Blue in USB 3.0 enclosure 
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Western Digitial Caviar Green in USB 3.0 enclosure Samsung 960 Pro 512 GB Noctua NH-D15 (only middle NF-A15 Chromax) 4 x Noctua NF-A14 Chromax black swap 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Noctua NF-F12 Chromax black swap Windows 10 Pro 64 bit NEC LCD2490WUXI-SV DELL P2217H 
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