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Past two builds both look quite slick.
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So i took out my HDD cages and used one of the white HD anti vibration holders that get place inside the HD cages, what i did with that is screwed it on the mesh next to the power supply so the bottom fan on the front can have better airflow. While doing that i found out that my computer is A LOT more quieter since the HD doesn't rattle the entire thing anymore. I felt like it was shaking the case when it was reading.... So it was a win win, better airflow, better temps, a lot more quieter thanks to the rubber mounts on the white HD holders.. =)

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post #10603 of 16288
I just got a FD Define R4 to replace my R3. I wanted extra space for cable routing, removable HDD cage, and larger 140mm fan support all to improve my cooling and management. I looked at the Define XL R2 but I didn't like the hinges on the doors, the back of the motherboard depth for routing was less than the R4, and the fan placement WRT ATX MB wasn't to my liking. I ended up disappointed..

First off FD R4 design. I Have TY and Noctua 140mm PWM fans I wanted to utilize for case fans. These are 140mm with 120mm mounting holes. These worked fine on the top of the R3 case - the 120 holes were centered within the 140mm template. However on the R4, the 120mm holes are offset to a corner of the 140 mm template, not centered. The result is that you cannot use these fans as they 1. they are partially blocked by the case and 2. butt up against the adjacent Moduvent when placed in these offset holes. I would guess that this was done to accommodate clearance for radiators on the top, but it would have been pretty simple to add a few more round holes in the hexagonal grill to accommodate fans with centered 120mm mounting, like was done in the R3. These 140mm fans with 120 mounting are fairly common and not cheap, so a bummer.

In addition, my bottom drive bay was skewed. This results in the upper drive bays looking really crooked (though I am not using it presently).

The second bummer has nothing to do with FD. After transferring my previous Motherboard/cpu, which was stable 24x7 4.6 GHz @ 1.32V 2500k overclock it was no longer stable, and the core temps are 5c higher. This is a comparison with the case open, so I don't think it has anything to do with case airflow. The weird thing is when I booted up after the transfer of MB, etc, Windows started shutting down randomly. I finally found that somehow the BIOS settings were screwed up. For instance the base clock was 103 whereas I had it on the stock 100. I don't think it had any weird core voltage settings as I have Asus software monitor core voltage (and it does alert). I did reset the CMOS and that didn't help. I also reapplied TIM and after stress testing, verified that the application was good and the right spread.

Anyhow, I am not sure what happened. What should have been an easy improvement to case airflow and manageability didn't pan out. I went from a 4.6 GHz OC of 44.7c over ambient on IBT (custom with 10GB RAM, which I think is pretty good for an NH-D14) to almost 50c. I haven't even been able to address case airflow :-( I hope the R4 will pan out with a little extra $ on 140mm square fans. But now I am looking at close to $500 to replace my mainboard and CPU and get some decent fan that will fit the top of the case. Haswell I guess?

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Edited by GeneO - 2/2/14 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by GeneO View Post

First off FD R4 design. I Have TY and Noctua 140mm PWM fans I wanted to utilize for case fans. These are 140mm with 120mm mounting holes. These worked fine on the top of the R3 case - the 120 holes were centered within the 140mm template. However on the R4, the 120mm holes are offset to a corner of the 140 mm template, not centered. The result is that you cannot use these fans as they 1. they are partially blocked by the case and 2. butt up against the adjacent Moduvent when placed in these offset holes. I would guess that this was done to accommodate clearance for radiators on the top, but it would have been pretty simple to add a few more round holes in the hexagonal grill to accommodate fans with centered 120mm mounting, like was done in the R3. These 140mm fans with 120 mounting are fairly common and not cheap, so a bummer.

I posted about this a while back, I'll repost the pix I used then. Yeah the 120mm mounting holes on top are off center. I use NF P14s everywhere and those come with metal tabs that convert 120mm mounting holes to 140mm. Those tabs are handy because you can flip them to use with any 140mm fan with 120mm mounting holes.




I don't believe these are sold separately though. Which is too bad, they're a lot lower profile than the adapters (bitspower etc) you can get which add quite a bit of depth to a fan. Maybe someone here has spares they can send your way, the NF P14s don't seem to get much use these days and I'm sure a lot of folks replaced them with newer ones and might have old ones lying around.

You can even use these to fit a 150mm wide fan up top, the one in the pic is an NF A15 which is the same size as the TY 14x.
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Thanks. I hadn't seen your post. I used an A15 in the cooler instead of the P14. I am using the P14 for front intake so I am OK. It just changed my plans,

Looked to see if either came with the brackets. Sadly not. Will probably get an A14 for the top.

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Can i join the club?! smile.gif

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post #10607 of 16288
Awesome build! I'm actually in the process of doing the same build and plan on using your info as a blueprint smile.gif

Only difference is I'm using a XSPC 240RX Rad in the front. I also only have 1 290x, but its good to know that you can run SLI and still maintain acceptable temps.

My only worry is that I'm using pretty tall ram sticks(about 50mm tall) and from what I've seen, Its going to be a tight fit with the 240AX rad I plan on putting up top.





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I finally finished the loop on my Arc Midi R2. I've got a XSPC AX240mm RAD in the roof, and a Alphacool 280 UT60 in the front.

Temps are not amazing water water cooling standards since I only have 2 rads and neither is a 360. But in benchmarks with the GPUs overvolted, I never go over 65C and in BF4 gaming with the fans at low very quiet settings I get 55C on the GPUs. The CPU runs 65-70C at 100% which is pretty much identical to my NH-D14, so no real change there.



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I had to cut the metal over the 5.25" drive cage to fit the pump through, XSPC didn't design it to fit too well.







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post #10608 of 16288
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Originally Posted by valkeriefire View Post

I finally finished the loop on my Arc Midi R2. I've got a XSPC AX240mm RAD in the roof, and a Alphacool 280 UT60 in the front.

Temps are not amazing water water cooling standards since I only have 2 rads and neither is a 360. But in benchmarks with the GPUs overvolted, I never go over 65C and in BF4 gaming with the fans at low very quiet settings I get 55C on the GPUs. The CPU runs 65-70C at 100% which is pretty much identical to my NH-D14, so no real change there.
AFTER



What watertemps do you achieve ?
I plan to do a 680sli + 4770k, with a 240/45mm and a 360/45mm rad with a single layer of SP120 Fans in an arc mini.
First I´ll try it with only one 680 watercooled as I don´t know how much I like sli.
For sinlge gpu+cpu in loop I´d say 5x120mm rads should be enough.
Not shure about sli setup.
the loop might end in a mess when I´m having to add my mora..
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post #10609 of 16288
Joining the club with my custom LC in R4.


All in all this is version 1.0, in the future i'd like to add 140 MM rad in the back, remove HDD cage (move 1 HDD to the 5,25 bay), add backplate to GPU and maybe get bigger rez smile.gif

For now :

EK Supremacy pleksi
Watercool Heatkiller X3
EK DCP 4.0
EK DCP 4.0 X RES
Alphacool Nexxos ST30 240mm
Coolgate Dual 120mm HD





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