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I'm using the 147's right now on the bottom of my case at the front top intake as well as rear exhaust ive used them in this orientation over a year now and they perform pretty well as far as I'm concerned whatever orientation. I do have my R2 on a little trolley I made to keep it off the floor which helps the bottom fan to intake and keeps out the dust a bit.

I'm afraid I can't tell you how good the reduxs are in comparison as I haven't used them. I bought my TY 147 for £5 each though. And I doubt the Noctuas are 3 or four times better. From what I know: Noctuas are not the best performing fans, but they perform reasonably well, from what tests ive seen, they are the quietest and very well built.
post #11632 of 16139
I would like to ask the owners of Define R4 with Sapphire Tri-X 290 or 290X cards, if the bottom fan, next to PSU helps to lower temps down and how much?
I had 14cm fan on the bottom, but my PSU broke down and I ordered EVGA G2 750 which is 1cm longer and I cannot then fit the 14cm fan next to it, but must to buy 12cm.
It's worth to have fan on the bottom?
post #11633 of 16139
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Originally Posted by smoke2 View Post

I would like to ask the owners of Define R4 with Sapphire Tri-X 290 or 290X cards, if the bottom fan, next to PSU helps to lower temps down and how much?
I had 14cm fan on the bottom, but my PSU broke down and I ordered EVGA G2 750 which is 1cm longer and I cannot then fit the 14cm fan next to it, but must to buy 12cm.
It's worth to have fan on the bottom?
Nope, it's not even worth with 140mm . The only time I'd consider a bottom fan in this case is if I had sli or crossfire.
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Nope, it's not even worth with 140mm . The only time I'd consider a bottom fan in this case is if I had sli or crossfire.

Or when you have most of your HDD slots used and frontal fans are "blocked". I put one spare 120 Fractals stock fan (silent series r2) in bottom for test and didn't really notice any changes in temperatures. But as Wezzor said, only if you have multiple GPUs or or HDDs so many they block airflow from front.

Same thing with the sidefan, it is usually worth only when you have multiple GPUs. And it's always exhaust!
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Or when you have most of your HDD slots used and frontal fans are "blocked". I put one spare 120 Fractals stock fan (silent series r2) in bottom for test and didn't really notice any changes in temperatures. But as Wezzor said, only if you have multiple GPUs or or HDDs so many they block airflow from front.

Same thing with the sidefan, it is usually worth only when you have multiple GPUs. And it's always exhaust!
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Anyway smoke2 this is how mine looks (Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X and EVGA SuperNOVA G2 750W). Temps are really great and couldn't be more happier. If you're intrested in getting the same adapter as me here it is: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverstone-SST-SDP10B-Converter-5-25-plus/dp/B00CK0HU4W.
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post #11636 of 16139
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5 is about right, depending on what you are doing biggrin.gif. You can probably get away with three or four if youre only gaming/surfing. I need five because everything gets pretty hot when you Fold.
If youre not hung up on having all the same fans and decide you need that many fans, you could get some of the white Square framed Phanteks to go in the front, or the Noctuas and use these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=thermalright%20ty%20147

in the bottom/top/back where they will fit. They are cheap in the U.K at least and I can highly recommend them. Unfortunately you have to have square framed fans in the front positions or you cant get more then one in, without getting a drill out at least.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/886-26/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html#

Have a look above the TY141 which is the same design as the 147, (I own some of both) . (Same rated specs from Thermalright), moves more air then the Noctuas as tested by HW.FR and most of the others except the Cryorigs IIRC.

Just some food for thought.
I have that one on my CPU cooler, HR-02, sometimes they can make a noise but it might go away after a while as it settles into the position. Mine got noisy when I turned the MB from flat to standing.
They run up to 1200-1300rpm. Push OK but are meant for CPU coolers and their dimensions are something like 140x150x25mm. Since they are round they don't block connectors on the MB like fan headers or CPU 8pin.
If they are cheap they are alright but are harder to find and harder to find cheap.
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I would like to ask the owners of Define R4 with Sapphire Tri-X 290 or 290X cards, if the bottom fan, next to PSU helps to lower temps down and how much?
I had 14cm fan on the bottom, but my PSU broke down and I ordered EVGA G2 750 which is 1cm longer and I cannot then fit the 14cm fan next to it, but must to buy 12cm.
It's worth to have fan on the bottom?
No idea I've only noticed something like 2C difference and am not sure if that was CPU or GPU. It will intake air in to help with positive pressure, that's for sure.
You can mount a 140mm fan even with EVGA G2 750. I did.
Look up my build pics in this thread or browse the gallery:





Zip tied one end that has foam on it and used rubber mounts on the other side that make it angled a little, you could use something else, foam, or cut the rubber mounts shorter if you want it more flat.
I don't have bottom nor rear grills in the case, cut them out. It helps more than anything to remove airflow restrictions.
Even when it's angled a little like this it still does suck a lot of air through the filter on bottom. Guess I was lazy to make more foam pads and didn't want to test out if it would make noise when close to the bottom since some part is a little blocked but shouldn't be much. Fans like to cause noise when their intake or exhaust is close to some restriction like grill, cooler fins as the air moves fast near the restrictions. Blow on your finger in a distance, nearly no noise, blow on it near your mouth and it will make hell of a noise, same with the fans and grills/restrictions.

And raise the case from ground if you're using the bottom fan. I made a custom higher feet.
Edited by JackCY - 9/20/14 at 5:04am
post #11637 of 16139
Nice looking rig there! Also, I like Macho too, way more cost effective than large noctua heat sinks. I have same cooler in my R4 : )
post #11638 of 16139
I have three Ty's in my rig at the moment no noises here, I have 2 more as well one spare and one which makes a slight gritty bearing noise when led down flat. Always possible to get a bad one from any company.

They are easily available in U.K from several places. They do go out of stock because they are cheap and very good. I can't speak for the USA of course but in europe they are easy to find cheap.

Yes its a cooler fan. Cooler fans work better as intakes, especially on a R2 where the foam and grill are causing so much restriction. Silent fans are not worth a damn as intakes in my experience. The fractal case fans can't pull any air in at all case in point.

Thing is everyone makes a choice between noise and cooling performance and where you draw the line as to what is to noisy is highly subjective. smile.gif

I believe Doyll has taken a hacksaw to some Ty's and made them fit up front in a define R2 I personally had a Gentle typhoon ap15 and Silverstone ap14 spare I managed to fit in together. Works great for me.
post #11639 of 16139
If I'd like to invest for "future proof" fans, would NF-A14 PWN be most successful option? They are pricy yeah, but six years of warranty and all nice mix of flow rate, pressure and low noise profile is tempting. In this case future proof means long lasting fans I could later use with 280mm rad in front.

280mm rad should fit in R4 front if I remove HDD racks completely, correct? If 2x140mm fans are mounted in front of rad (push setup), rad can be tightened in the fans, correct?

Or should I got with 120mm fans for 240mm rad in future?

Also. 140mm fans would have later use as top exhaust (maybe with 2x140mm rads for AiO loops+kraken g10 for sli), so getting them now as temporary frontal fans is an option if 240mm will be mounted in front.

This is long term plan yeah, but so is six years of warranty.
post #11640 of 16139
I have a14s and I plan on mounting a 280mm rad to the front also soon. I got them because I am a noctua fan, but I also have sp120s on my h220x.
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