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Perhaps I am wrong about the noise difference between 140mm and 120mm fans, but it's slightly nonsensical to complain about "noise" created by a 1000RPM 140mm fan. None of the 140mm fans I have owned have been "loud."
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Really? You're cool..

Yeah, I know. So is my rig without sounding like a jet engine.
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Perhaps I am wrong about the noise difference between 140mm and 120mm fans, but it's slightly nonsensical to complain about "noise" created by a 1000RPM 140mm fan. None of the 140mm fans I have owned have been "loud."

Nonsensical? Who are you to say that? Are you surprised that there a people buying the Define R5 because they have sensitive ears and want a case that tries to keep as much of the possible noise from escaping the case? This case series is after all described as "focuses on silent computing".
And since you said that you can't hear your 140mm fans running at 2000rpm. Well good for you. In fact splendid. I on the other hand can clearly hear my NF-A14 PWM if it's running above ~700rpm. Higher than that and it's distracting my work, if it goes above ~850rpm it's annoying as hell as it's rather smooth sound starts turning into a drone and giving me a headache. So good for you that you can't hear your fans.
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Yeah, I know. So is my rig without sounding like a jet engine.
Nonsensical? Who are you to say that? Are you surprised that there a people buying the Define R5 because they have sensitive ears and want a case that tries to keep as much of the possible noise from escaping the case? This case series is after all described as "focuses on silent computing".
And since you said that you can't hear your 140mm fans running at 2000rpm. Well good for you. In fact splendid. I on the other hand can clearly hear my NF-A14 PWM if it's running above ~700rpm. Higher than that and it's distracting my work, if it goes above ~850rpm it's annoying as hell as it's rather smooth sound starts turning into a drone and giving me a headache. So good for you that you can't hear your fans.
running fans designed for 2000rpm at 700rpm sometime has motor noise.

A fan designed to max at 1000rpm will not have that issue running that slow.

Im only using a 10w ddc pump fully decoupled and its louder than my fractal fans. I cannot even hear it unles I take the side panel off and stick my ear closer.

Matter of fact any gpu fan will be louder than the 1000rpm fans included with the r5.

I understand your concern but the included fans are far from what I would call loud.

If somehow the included fans were the loudest part of your rig it would be extremely quite/near silent.
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Nonsensical? Who are you to say that? Are you surprised that there a people buying the Define R5 because they have sensitive ears and want a case that tries to keep as much of the possible noise from escaping the case? This case series is after all described as "focuses on silent computing".
And since you said that you can't hear your 140mm fans running at 2000rpm. Well good for you. In fact splendid. I on the other hand can clearly hear my NF-A14 PWM if it's running above ~700rpm. Higher than that and it's distracting my work, if it goes above ~850rpm it's annoying as hell as it's rather smooth sound starts turning into a drone and giving me a headache. So good for you that you can't hear your fans.
It sounds like computers aren't up your alley. Perhaps you should consider a quieter hobby, like knitting or crochet.

But on a serious note, I'm convinced you're trolling saying a fan running above 700RPM is "distracting." If you are not trolling and a fan running at that low of a speed actually gives you a headache, perhaps you have a medical condition and should seek help immediately. It's what an American would do.thumb.gif
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running fans designed for 2000rpm at 700rpm sometime has motor noise. A fan designed to max at 1000rpm will not have that issue running that slow.

Matter of fact any gpu fan will be louder than the 1000rpm fans included with the r5.
I understand your concern but the included fans are far from what I would call loud. If somehow the included fans were the loudest part of your rig it would be extremely quite/near silent.

You misinterpreted what I said. NF-A14 PWM is designed for a minimum speed of 300rpm (+-20%). It's drone doesn't manifestate itself between minimum speed <> 850rpm but between 850rpm <> 1500rpm.
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It sounds like computers aren't up your alley. Perhaps you should consider a quieter hobby, like knitting or crochet.

But on a serious note, I'm convinced you're trolling saying a fan running above 700RPM is "distracting." If you are not trolling and a fan running at that low of a speed actually gives you a headache, perhaps you have a medical condition and should seek help immediately. It's what an American would do.thumb.gif

Computer's are right up my alley. And thanks for the suggestion but I'm more interested in design, CAD, fluid dynamics and computer technology in general.

And no, I'm not trolling. Why would I be? It is not a medical condition to have good hearing / high sensitivity ears (E: hyperacusis is a medical condition but I don't have that fortunately). It's just happens to be that our apartment and location allows for really low ambient noise floor so I can hear even the slightest sound.
When the NF-A14's speed goes above ~700rpm it is no longer inaudible and hence it distracts me since I can hear it. Hearing the fan between the audible and droning range of the fan, just to spell it out to you if you don't figure it out yourself, between ~700rpm and ~850rpm does not give me a headache. It distracts me from my work simply because I hear it. Deal with it.
When the speed goes above ~850rpm the sounds goes from being a smooth non-headache-inducing-sound to a droning sound.
Here's the definition of 'drone' to you.


Now how about you stop arguing. This is a reality to me and not to you. Would you like me to sit/stand next to you 8 hours every single day of the year making a droning sound with my mouth?
I'm done 'talking' with you. Believe whatever you want. All I've said are facts.





P.S. And in case someone wonders, no, I don't have ADHD or any other attention related disorders.
Edited by lagittaja - 4/11/15 at 3:27pm
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It sounds like you have a problem concentrating if a fan inside your case that's producing as much noise as your hard drive is giving you a headache. You should consider noise-cancelling headphones to help eliminate the noise your fans aren't making.
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In part, I understand what you're getting at, as my ears are also very sensitive. No, it's not a medical condition. That's largely why I don't play super intensive games like BF3 anymore, and why I quite playing BF4 almost before I started; my 280X is super loud and I have to dial back the clocks all the time. Compared to the noise in my rig with @ 1500 rpm and 280X > 50% rpm, this is all making a big deal out of nothing. It's not a drone; it's a satanic shriek, guaranteed to cause hearing loss upon prolonged exposure.

I also don't understand why you seem to make a (comparatively) big deal out of the type of noise emitted by the A14. I know someone with an air-cooled rig who has 2 A14s, and they are real quiet throughout their entire RPM range (god, WHY doesn't the Mini R2 take 140mm fans?!?!). I know exactly what you are referring to as a "drone"; my F12s have a lot of this at full speed, since they are probably (at full RPM) the loudest fans that Noctua has to offer. However, this doesn't bother me (ok, it does, but not nearly as much as my 280X), although I know that it might not be the same for you; all I can say is that I'd take the "drone" of Noctua fans over the "buzz" and "whine" of my Cougar Turbines or "hollow roar" of Silent Series R2 120mm/140mm any day. When you go up the RPM range, it's only natural for these sounds to manifest and unless we live in an ideal world (which we don't), we have to live with these. Noctua's already taken a step towards making the sound a bit more pleasant. Unfortunately, fan noise is very subjective, and people with sensitive ears are often at the mercy of manufacturers that seem to employ deaf fan designers and testers, all the while proclaiming that their products are "silent". I'm looking at you, Fractal Design, with those garbage Silent Series R2 fans.

I normally only use Gigabyte SIV for fan control and the Performance and Full Speed settings are noticeably different from Standard and Quiet. There's a notable drone in the upper half of the spectrum.

I'd poke around and see if you can get a hold of other A14s; if they don't sound the same way, yours might have a problem.

If they sound the same...well, you get the idea.

Noise-cancelling headphones would be a start; I don't have any, but noise-isolating headphones are good enough for me. You could also look towards another case (if the A05 is a personal preference, then so be it, but know that it's not making it any easier for you if you're trying to silence your rig since there's not a lot of room and direct path for airflow) that doesn't rely on a single 140mm for intake all whilst forcing air through a radiator.
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In part, I understand what you're getting at, as my ears are also very sensitive. No, it's not a medical condition. That's largely why I don't play super intensive games like BF3 anymore, and why I quite playing BF4 almost before I started; my 280X is super loud and I have to dial back the clocks all the time. Compared to the noise in my rig with @ 1500 rpm and 280X > 50% rpm, this is all making a big deal out of nothing. It's not a drone; it's a satanic shriek, guaranteed to cause hearing loss upon prolonged exposure.

I also don't understand why you seem to make a (comparatively) big deal out of the type of noise emitted by the A14. I know someone with an air-cooled rig who has 2 A14s, and they are real quiet throughout their entire RPM range (god, WHY doesn't the Mini R2 take 140mm fans?!?!). I know exactly what you are referring to as a "drone"; my F12s have a lot of this at full speed, since they are probably (at full RPM) the loudest fans that Noctua has to offer. However, this doesn't bother me (ok, it does, but not nearly as much as my 280X), although I know that it might not be the same for you; all I can say is that I'd take the "drone" of Noctua fans over the "buzz" and "whine" of my Cougar Turbines or "hollow roar" of Silent Series R2 120mm/140mm any day. When you go up the RPM range, it's only natural for these sounds to manifest and unless we live in an ideal world (which we don't), we have to live with these. Noctua's already taken a step towards making the sound a bit more pleasant. Unfortunately, fan noise is very subjective, and people with sensitive ears are often at the mercy of manufacturers that seem to employ deaf fan designers and testers, all the while proclaiming that their products are "silent". I'm looking at you, Fractal Design, with those garbage Silent Series R2 fans.

I normally only use Gigabyte SIV for fan control and the Performance and Full Speed settings are noticeably different from Standard and Quiet. There's a notable drone in the upper half of the spectrum.


I'd poke around and see if you can get a hold of other A14s; if they don't sound the same way, yours might have a problem.

If they sound the same...well, you get the idea.

Noise-cancelling headphones would be a start; I don't have any, but noise-isolating headphones are good enough for me.

You could also look towards another case (if the A05 is a personal preference, then so be it, but know that it's not making it any easier for you if you're trying to silence your rig since there's not a lot of room and direct path for airflow) that doesn't rely on a single 140mm for intake all whilst forcing air through a radiator.

Just woke up so apologies for typos. I'll bold the text I'm replying to and each line is a different section of text bolded.

It's the best example I have. And because someone is calling me a troll or in other words a liar. I don't lie.

Yes, I know that. I know that perfectly well. Also I'd say Noctua has taken a slight step backward. I haven't personally heard NF-A15 PWM but by looking at the acoustic analysis picture from SPCR the A15 looks smoother than A14 but still the P14 is superior. I somewhat regret buying the A14 but it's still a good fan at the slow speeds. You can take a look here if you wish, pages 1-3 and at the bottom of each page http://www.silentpcreview.com/140mm_Fan_Roundup1
I had a NF-P14 FLX few years ago and I liked that, came with my D14 and I sold that along with it.

Yeah, it is subjective.

I'm gonna poke around if I could find a NF-P14 PWM from somewhere. NF-P14 FLX is still readily available here in Finland despite it's EOL status but I prefer PWM control. Otherwise I'll go and purchase the NF-A15 PWM and try my luck with that.

And this last one I'm gonna split in two.
I've got three good pairs of headphones and I use them when I need to and according to my current needs but can't use them all the time and occasionally they just end up laying on the desk because they're slightly too big for me to keep them around my neck. And me preferring over the ear headphones doesn't make that easier biggrin.gif #firstworldproblems.
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I'll be getting the Define R5 on monday
So yes, I'm already dealing with that.
The A05N was a personal preference four years ago but priorities and needs change over time. Also I'd just like to clarify that the current airflow in to the case is provided by the NF-A14 on the top which feeds cool air to my graphics card (no rad) and by a 120mm Slip Stream at the front of the case which blows through the HDD cage (not fully populated and isn't that restrictive). Air flow out of the case is handled by another 120mm Slip Stream.
I wouldn't recommend these Slip Stream fans if they're going to end up in a place where there's a honeycomb mesh. The fan slots on the A05N are completely open so they work well in this scenario.
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Arctic Cooling Accelero S1 Rev. 2 Scythe Slip Stream PWM Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14 Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit 
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LG 32LH2000 Logitech MK520 Seasonic SS-400FL V2 Lian Li PC-A05NB 
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Brand new setup and some better pictures then I posted earlier, specs can be found here smile.gif https://pcpartpicker.com/b/wsZ8TW





First Build!
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Classified.HERO
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k Asus p8z77-v pro MSI GTX670 Asus GTX670 DirectCU II 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance 8GB CL8 Seagate Barracuda 2TB Lite-On Cooler Master V8 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Samsung Syncmaster 22'' LED Razer  SP 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Antec DF-85 Logitech G400 Mad Catz GLIDE5 Corsair Vengeance 1500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4790K Asus Maximus VII HERO EVGA GTX780 Dual Bios ACX Classified Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Green 2TB Samsung EVO SSD 120GB XSPC RAYSTORM Windows Pro 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420Z 144Hz CM Storm Quickfire TK MX Red Corsair CS650M Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Zowie FK1 Steelseries QcK+ Kinston HyperX Cloud NZXT Hue RGB LED Strips & Controller 
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First Build!
(16 items)
 
Classified.HERO
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k Asus p8z77-v pro MSI GTX670 Asus GTX670 DirectCU II 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance 8GB CL8 Seagate Barracuda 2TB Lite-On Cooler Master V8 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Samsung Syncmaster 22'' LED Razer  SP 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Antec DF-85 Logitech G400 Mad Catz GLIDE5 Corsair Vengeance 1500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4790K Asus Maximus VII HERO EVGA GTX780 Dual Bios ACX Classified Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Green 2TB Samsung EVO SSD 120GB XSPC RAYSTORM Windows Pro 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420Z 144Hz CM Storm Quickfire TK MX Red Corsair CS650M Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Zowie FK1 Steelseries QcK+ Kinston HyperX Cloud NZXT Hue RGB LED Strips & Controller 
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Brand new setup and some better pictures then I posted earlier, specs can be found here smile.gif https://pcpartpicker.com/b/wsZ8TW

I knew there was something familiar about the name "konlar" when I saw that build... who would've known lol
Carry-on
(14 items)
 
HH02
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HS03
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K Gigabyte H97N-WIFI EVGA GTX 750 Ti 16GB Kingston Fury 1600 9-10-9-28 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
500GB Samsung 850 EVO Noctua NH-D9L Windows 10 Home AOC i2369VM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Pok3r (MX Browns, Lacewood case, SA Troubled Mi... Silverstone ST45SF-G v2.0 Silverstone SG08-Lite Logitech G602 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4460 Gigabyte Z97MX Gaming 5 Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X 8GB ADATA XPG 1.0 DDR3-1600  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
1TB Blue  128GB SP610 Noctua NH-U9B SE2 Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung S24D390HL Logitech K280E EVGA G2 750W Cooler Master N200 
Mouse
Logitech LX3 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 Acer G43T-AM3 Intel GMA X4500 (G43/G45 chipset integrated) 4GB DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
640GB WD Caviar Blue 500GB Seagate Barracuda Ubuntu 14.10 CM Elite Power 460W 
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Arc Mini R2 
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Carry-on
(14 items)
 
HH02
(13 items)
 
HS03
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K Gigabyte H97N-WIFI EVGA GTX 750 Ti 16GB Kingston Fury 1600 9-10-9-28 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
500GB Samsung 850 EVO Noctua NH-D9L Windows 10 Home AOC i2369VM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Pok3r (MX Browns, Lacewood case, SA Troubled Mi... Silverstone ST45SF-G v2.0 Silverstone SG08-Lite Logitech G602 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4460 Gigabyte Z97MX Gaming 5 Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X 8GB ADATA XPG 1.0 DDR3-1600  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
1TB Blue  128GB SP610 Noctua NH-U9B SE2 Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung S24D390HL Logitech K280E EVGA G2 750W Cooler Master N200 
Mouse
Logitech LX3 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 Acer G43T-AM3 Intel GMA X4500 (G43/G45 chipset integrated) 4GB DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
640GB WD Caviar Blue 500GB Seagate Barracuda Ubuntu 14.10 CM Elite Power 460W 
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Arc Mini R2 
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